Soooooo much misinformation out there.Tonight in "Fake, but Accurate"
https://mobile.twitter.com/esaagar/stat ... 1791936513Father of the now famous photo of the little girl crying [Time cover] says his wife/child were never separated at any time by authorities, that his wife was seeking a job (not fleeing violence), and that he is upset w/ her for taking his child on the dangerous journey.
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Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
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But "rules" evolve over time... whinging about rules that seem unfair can result (if the whinging is hard enough and done correctly) the change of said rules. Obviously none of this will happen on a message board, though, so in that case, I agree... quit your dodinting.
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Everyone here has agreed to the rules in the same way you have. We live here. You “reject the game” (whatever that means in practice), while others would like some of the rules changed. Sour grapes applies to all of us I guess.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
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Yeah, they "evolve". Factions seize power and implement their own particular "rules". I guess that's a brand of evolution.But "rules" evolve over time...
There is that pesky business of the governing document... of course that hasn't been operable for well on a century and a half, so do disregard. That being said (or not said, frankly), the whinging is a whole lot of unnecessary noise, isn't it? It's a bit like opposing fans complaining about a lifted skate being called off-side. They might be right in terms of the spirit of the thing, but at the end of the day that's just too bad for you. You're on the wrong side of the call. Of course, in one case it's a game and in the other it's a matter of life and death. But hey, those are the rules you've chosen to play by.whinging about rules that seem unfair can result (if the whinging is hard enough and done correctly) the change of said rules.
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Always love this argument... Especially great when it comes from a "teacher". Hey Guinness, here's your choices: you can stay here and we'll continue to pillage you as we see fit, OR you can move to some other place on the planet where they'll pillage you as they see fit; or you can stand on your principles in which case we WILL kidnap you, take all of your possessions, and if you resist any of that we'll murder you.Everyone here has agreed to the rules in the same way you have. We live here. You “reject the game” (whatever that means in practice), while others would like some of the rules changed. Sour grapes applies to all of us I guess.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
Good to know the "citizens of tomorrow" are in such good hands!
I also appreciate the teacher side-stepping the moral issue. But again, publik state skools and all.
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Ohhhh, “teacher.” Sick burn.Always love this argument... Especially great when it comes from a "teacher". Hey Guinness, here's your choices: you can stay here and we'll continue to pillage you as we see fit, OR you can move to some other place on the planet where they'll pillage you as they see fit; or you can stand on your principles in which case we WILL kidnap you, take all of your possessions, and if you resist any of that we'll murder you.Everyone here has agreed to the rules in the same way you have. We live here. You “reject the game” (whatever that means in practice), while others would like some of the rules changed. Sour grapes applies to all of us I guess.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
Good to know the "citizens of tomorrow" are in such good hands!
I also appreciate the teacher side-stepping the moral issue. But again, publik state skools and all.
That wasn’t my argument at all, so try again. My point is that we’re all in the same boat, we just address it differently. And while you say how morally superior you are, way to dodge the point about what it means in practice for you to “reject the game.” It seems that you mostly just want to tell people that they’re morally beneath you.
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And just to make sure the topic of discussion remains focused, I entered into the discussion to point out the disparity of outrage between enforcement of arbitrary border crossing laws and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents) and a whole bunch of other arbitrary laws of which no one is an actual victim... and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents).
Selective outrage. Please do continue.
Selective outrage. Please do continue.
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Ohhhh, “teacher.” Sick burn.Always love this argument... Especially great when it comes from a "teacher". Hey Guinness, here's your choices: you can stay here and we'll continue to pillage you as we see fit, OR you can move to some other place on the planet where they'll pillage you as they see fit; or you can stand on your principles in which case we WILL kidnap you, take all of your possessions, and if you resist any of that we'll murder you.Everyone here has agreed to the rules in the same way you have. We live here. You “reject the game” (whatever that means in practice), while others would like some of the rules changed. Sour grapes applies to all of us I guess.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Addressing the former point, yes - rejecting The Game, let alone The Rules is the only moral option.
Good to know the "citizens of tomorrow" are in such good hands!
I also appreciate the teacher side-stepping the moral issue. But again, publik state skools and all.
That wasn’t my argument at all, so try again. My point is that we’re all in the same boat, we just address it differently. And while you say how morally superior you are, way to dodge the point about what it means in practice for you to “reject the game.” It seems that you mostly just want to tell people that they’re morally beneath you.
I've offered my solution just like the rest of you. I'm told I'm a kook, and my solutions aren't realistic.
Also, my solutions are morally superior to yours because they do not rely on the unprovoked implementation of force.
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I don't think border crossing laws are arbitrary. I think the practice of this administration telling refugees and asylum seekers to **** off is a problem. I think there are international laws and norms that are being crossed by this practice, but there really isn't like some governing body capable of making DHS treat these people differently.And just to make sure the topic of discussion remains focused, I entered into the discussion to point out the disparity of outrage between enforcement of arbitrary border crossing laws and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents) and a whole bunch of other arbitrary laws of which no one is an actual victim... and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents).
Selective outrage. Please do continue.
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Guinness, you’re obviously morally superior to me. Just look at the content of your posts here compared to mine, and that’s all most people need to see to make that judgement. In actual life, how does that moral superiority play out? How does your morality impact the world more than my lack of morality? In a real way, not in the “you stand for this and i stand for ‘self’” way that actually doesn’t impact anything.
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Really?! I guess I should apologize - I just find it remarkable that people think there is a justification for prohibiting people standing one foot away from taking another step toward them based on... I dunno... what exactly? I mean, what exactly that isn't arbitrary, anyway?I don't think border crossing laws are arbitrary.And just to make sure the topic of discussion remains focused, I entered into the discussion to point out the disparity of outrage between enforcement of arbitrary border crossing laws and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents) and a whole bunch of other arbitrary laws of which no one is an actual victim... and their consequences (i.e., separation of children from parents).
Selective outrage. Please do continue.
Again, this is just mindless partisan politics. There is NOTHING in the governing document of the "United States" which prohibits the state from restricting access to the "territory" for any reason. The US government is under no obligation to accept people crossing "it's border" for any reason whatsoever. And it is NO different than any of the other arbitrary laws on the "books" that result in the separation of parents from children. You're spun up about this because a segment of the media wants you to be. Period.I think the practice of this administration telling refugees and asylum seekers to **** off is a problem. I think there are international laws and norms that are being crossed by this practice, but there really isn't like some governing body capable of making DHS treat these people differently.
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Hurray... this again.
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How does ANY of this actually impact the world? This is a backwater message board with a handful of people chatting about nothing. I don't care about any of this anymore. I just took today off and am killing time until the cable guy shows up, before then going to lunch with my wife.Guinness, you’re obviously morally superior to me. Just look at the content of your posts here compared to mine, and that’s all most people need to see to make that judgement. In actual life, how does that moral superiority play out? How does your morality impact the world more than my lack of morality? In a real way, not in the “you stand for this and i stand for ‘self’” way that actually doesn’t impact anything.
What do you want me to say? This is how I view the world. You view the world in your particularly corrupted way. My way is the RIGHT way to view human interaction. Yours is definitively based on violence. So what? You win. Your view of the world holds total and complete dominance in society at large. Congratulations. I'm just commenting on what I see here, just like everyone else... and frankly everyone else posting here has the EXACT SAME PRESUMPTION of moral superiority. They just don't say it explicitly. Probably because they can't actually back it up (and they know it).
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yeah, because the leftist circle-jerk is soooo entertaining...Hurray... this again.
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The problem is they aren't playing by the agreed rules, to indulge your silliness.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Asylum is a recognized fundamental human right under US and international law. Lumping those that are attempting to seek it in with the actual illegal crossing crowd by preventing their ability to cross at the designated ports of entry - coupled with the zero tolerance policy that necessitates separation of families, as adults are processed criminally as illegal immigrants and children are processed administratively as 'unaccompanied minors' despite the fact that that is patently untrue - is repugnant and directly opposite of the 'rules'.
Just look to yesterday's court filing in California where AG Sessions is making a move to change those rules so that the new policy will be in compliance. This is disgusting no matter how you slice it, provided you are approaching it from the perspective of someone who's plugged into reality and not floating around a world colored by dorm room philosophy.
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I immediately regret engaging on the G-man angle.
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I agree with Guinness in a lot of ways, and specifically on this issue. But the idea of the border being 'arbitrary' or 'imaginary' is such a huge hurdle to discourse that I don't even know where to begin. Like, if it was a jersey barrier the whole length of the border would that make you feel better? Just not sure what you're trying to do here. Until we have a One World Order these are the parameters we work with, saying they don't exist in a meaningful way is just subterfuge.
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You put your thesaurus away, young man.subterfuge.
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Are they arresting asylum seekers or those rejected asylum that then cross illegally?The problem is they aren't playing by the agreed rules, to indulge your silliness.Don't you think it comes off as a bit of sour grapes to be whinging and complaining when someone puts to use the rules of the game you've agreed to play in a manner which you disapprove?
Asylum is a recognized fundamental human right under US and international law. Lumping those that are attempting to seek it in with the actual illegal crossing crowd by preventing their ability to cross at the designated ports of entry - coupled with the zero tolerance policy that necessitates separation of families, as adults are processed criminally as illegal immigrants and children are processed administratively as 'unaccompanied minors' despite the fact that that is patently untrue - is repugnant and directly opposite of the 'rules'.
Just look to yesterday's court filing in California where AG Sessions is making a move to change those rules so that the new policy will be in compliance. This is disgusting no matter how you slice it, provided you are approaching it from the perspective of someone who's plugged into reality and not floating around a world colored by dorm room philosophy.
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First, no **** it’s a message board. We all know it impacts nothing.How does ANY of this actually impact the world? This is a backwater message board with a handful of people chatting about nothing. I don't care about any of this anymore. I just took today off and am killing time until the cable guy shows up, before then going to lunch with my wife.Guinness, you’re obviously morally superior to me. Just look at the content of your posts here compared to mine, and that’s all most people need to see to make that judgement. In actual life, how does that moral superiority play out? How does your morality impact the world more than my lack of morality? In a real way, not in the “you stand for this and i stand for ‘self’” way that actually doesn’t impact anything.
What do you want me to say? This is how I view the world. You view the world in your particularly corrupted way. My way is the RIGHT way to view human interaction. Yours is definitively based on violence. So what? You win. Your view of the world holds total and complete dominance in society at large. Congratulations. I'm just commenting on what I see here, just like everyone else... and frankly everyone else posting here has the EXACT SAME PRESUMPTION of moral superiority. They just don't say it explicitly. Probably because they can't actually back it up (and they know it).
Second, you don’t know my world view, you just lump pretty much everyone together here as “not me.”
Third, i know this is a tough question, but how does your world view (bigly moral) impact anything and make you superior to me or others here, in an actual way? You are simply speaking in thoughts and hopes, not in actions. I would say there are quite a few people here with high morality based on actions they take. You may be as well, based on what you do, but your “world view” doesn’t prove your morality.
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They are physically preventing people from setting foot on US soil at the ports of entry where they can make the asylum claim.Are they arresting asylum seekers or those rejected asylum that then cross illegally?
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dodint goes to law school and suddenly he's all three- and four-syllable words.
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How noble.I immediately regret engaging on the G-man angle.
Again, there is NOTHING in the governing document of the US government which requires the US government to allow people to cross it's borders.