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Postby meow » Sun Jun 11, 2023 8:23 pm

It’s neither. People are babies

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Postby mikey » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:05 pm

Correct. Soft society. Thinks complaining makes a positive difference, looks to complain.

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Postby MR25 » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:22 pm

Out of curiosity, what is the material difference between this and a player leaving their bench to join a scrap?

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Postby meow » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:34 am

What do you think?

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Postby MR25 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:47 am

I understand that the box doesn't have a way to cleanly exit the rink, but he was not technically one of the players on the ice for the play when time expired.

But I'm also not sure if the rules count a guy in the box as "in play". IMO it feels like a gray area, but like I said, I'm just curious to what the actual difference is.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:15 am

Florida fans trashy... Shocking
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Postby mikey » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:05 pm

1. He didn't do anything. That's the biggest thing about the spirit of rules. That rule is designed to prevent bench clearing brawls. No brawl happened. This was a fairly routine scrum. So there's nothing worthwhile to adjudicate on...nothing happened that would provoke anyone to root cause this...

2. 70.10 only says that a player leaving the penalty box illegally will receive a 10 game suspension. Is there any legitimate claim that he left the box illegally...? Seems to me that he was let out at the scheduled time, after the game, by the box man...

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:11 pm

70.4 covers this situation more aptly imo





by my interpretation of this, he should receive a 10 gamer. But obviously he’s not getting a 10 game suspension. He should, at the very least, receive 1 game imo

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Postby MR25 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:13 pm

To #2, I don't know, that's what I'm asking. I just don't know how the league determines what's a legal exit vs illegal exit in this scenario, where a player hops in a scrum at the end of a game.

I didn't see any complaints outside of what was posted about here, oddly enough. I'm just curious as to what makes it cut and dry when, IMO, it does seem like a little gray area.

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Postby meow » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:06 pm

70.4 covers this situation more aptly imo





by my interpretation of this, he should receive a 10 gamer. But obviously he’s not getting a 10 game suspension. He should, at the very least, receive 1 game imo
How in the hell do you find a tweet from a guy that has 500 followers?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:27 pm

Twitter search functionality?

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Postby meow » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:33 pm

Why are you searching Twitter for something like this? Read the rulebook and make your own determination

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:37 pm

I can’t tell if this is a bit or not

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Postby tifosi77 » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:01 pm

70.4 is meant to prevent players gooning it up when there are offsetting majors. That doesn't affect manpower on the ice, and players have to wait for a stoppage to be let out of the bin and rejoin the ice or the player's bench. A 'stoppage of play' is not the same thing as the game clock running out.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:15 pm

I don’t agree with that at all. The rule clearly mentions if it’s a single player exiting the penalty box, which means it doesn’t relate to offsetting penalties, and I guess you can be pedantic but to me the end of the game can be referred to as a “stoppage in play”. I’d concede if end of the game scenarios were called out specifically elsewhere in the rules but they aren’t and to my interpretation this fits that rule most appropriately

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Postby King Colby » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:38 pm

Bad, anti-hockey take

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Postby meow » Mon Jun 12, 2023 7:47 pm

So you want the 90 year old guy in the box to keep him in there until…when exactly?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:11 pm

the problem isn’t that he left the box, it’s that he left it and immediately skates over to an altercation



genuinely curious: if this was a random game, a player was in the box, the other team scores in a power play, a scrum ensues, then the player, after existing the box, skates over the join the fray…would you be ok with that? to me this is effectively the same thing (the game ending doesn’t change the situation at all)

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Postby meow » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:19 pm

The game ending does change the situation

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Postby mikey » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:24 pm

Of course it does.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:33 pm

that’s ludicrous. Are you guys ok with the benches clearing at the end of the game then?

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Postby mikey » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:54 am

Are you suggesting that's what happened...?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:24 am

they are absolutely no different in my mind and I need you guys to explain how it’s different in yours

He was not on the ice when the altercation started. Him being on the ice because he was let out is not an invitation to join the altercation

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Postby RonnieFranchise » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:24 am

I can’t believe people seriously believe what happened warrants anything.

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Postby mikey » Tue Jun 13, 2023 8:20 am

they are absolutely no different in my mind and I need you guys to explain how it’s different in yours

He was not on the ice when the altercation started. Him being on the ice because he was let out is not an invitation to join the altercation
So, you believe this warrants a 10 game suspension...?

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