The NHL’s Point System is Flawed

[Tomas]

Finally, a reasonably coherent article on the matter:
http://thehockeywriters.com/the-nhls-po ... is-flawed/

I don't think that the article hits on the main point, though. NHL (and it's wannabes like EBEL) is the only league in the world that actually rewards participation in low-scoring games (which are more likely to end in regulation ties, and the extra points). To illustrate this to the extreme: The team that manages to play the "ultimate defense with zero offense" style, and thus ends with 82 0-0 regulation ties will generate, on average 123 points during the season (assuming that the shootout has 50-50 chances of victory, 82 shootouts will generate, on average 41 extra points to be added to 82 regulation ties).

[NTP66]

I read that article earlier, and would be 100% okay in shifting how points are earned. It doesn't even have to go that far, though. Eliminate the shutout and bring back ties and I think you'll see more teams pushing for the extra point.

[Craig]

I just think it should be 2 points for a ROW, 1 point for a shootout win, and 0 points for a loss.

[mikey]

I'd be content with that. Though, I didn't read the article yet.

[dodint]

Source of the post I just think it should be 2 points for a ROW, 1 point for a shootout win, and 0 points for a loss.

Can probably end the thread right here.

[Tomas]

Source of the post I just think it should be 2 points for a ROW, 1 point for a shootout win, and 0 points for a loss.

Can probably end the thread right here.

Well, I don't like that. I think that an inherently fair system must be "points-per-game" neutral. This one isn't. If SO were to be retained (and personally I am a fan of shootouts - it's has a "concentrated entertainment value" for me), then it should simply be the win-loss system, like in, say, basketball.

[mikey]

That's fair. Not every game is worth the same amount. I can see that being weird. I doubt any other sport has that issue.

[dodint]

80% of the problem is rewarding losers for losing.

If the other 20% doesn't get fixed, meh. I see what you mean but a ROW is a higher quality win than a SO win so it doesn't bother me much.

[columbia]

The problem is the shootout, not the current points schema.

[Tomas]

That's fair. Not every game is worth the same amount. I can see that being weird. I doubt any other sport has that issue.

Well, soccer does have that problem (points-per-game not neutral). Victory is worth 3 points, while a tie earns only 1 point to both teams. It has bugged me ever since they came up with this.

[dodint]

I don't see how PPG can be anything but neutral when every team has the potential to score the same maximum amount of points.

[Beveridge]

I think there are 2 options.

2 points win, 1 point draw, 0 points loss - No shootout (maybe make OT a little longer)
3 points win, 2 points OT/SO win, 1 point OT/SO loss, 0 points regulation loss

Soccer Route
3 points win, 1 point draw, 0 points loss
But then for the playoffs, after a period of OT, we go right to the shootout!

[Craig]

I think in ot they should use gold pucks.

[Tomas]

That's fair. Not every game is worth the same amount. I can see that being weird. I doubt any other sport has that issue.

Well, soccer does have that problem (points-per-game not neutral). Victory is worth 3 points, while a tie earns only 1 point to both teams. It has bugged me ever since they came up with this.

BTW some time ago, lower level Czech leagues have started awarding 3-2-1-0 points, with SO following regulation ties - and it produced this (26 rounds - new all time world record!):

Action accelerated 10 times on this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptbizg0718E

[Gaucho]

i was hoping for the Benny Hill theme.

[dodint]

Still not fast enough to hold my interest.

[meow]

3 points win, 2 points OT/SO win, 1 point OT/SO loss, 0 points regulation loss

This is the correct answer. If you disagree, you are wrong and you should feel bad.

[Craig]

Awarding a point for losing is like giving a trophy for participating...only worse.

[dodint]

More evidence for the goalie stigma right there.

[shmenguin]

If 3 on 3 goes stagnant at some point, I think they'll need to do something. But as it stands, things are fine.

[meow]

You two feel bad yet?

[Kaiser]

1 point for a win. anything else you get jack s***

[shafnutz05]

One point for each goal you win by. A 5-2 victory would award three points to the winning team. It would encourage teams to run up the score and be more aggressive.

Brilliant.

[meow]

That's a pretty big factor in college rankings.

OSU beats PSU 6-2
MSU beats PSU 1-0

OSU gets a heavier rank

[Jim]

1 point for a win. anything else you get jack s***

Agree. No OT either. 60 minutes, you win you get a point. Ties... no one won, no point. Win or go home.