Fifth Avenue Forum

There were a dozen teams that scored 300+ goals a year in the 80s, and a few that topped 400 goals. League-wide, teams averaged close to 4 G/gm through the 80s, and today that's more like 2.5-2.7 G/gm.

"pre-butterfly era" was intentionally phrased. it's a good trail marker to show the incidental/coincidental shift in quality, not a description of every goalie's style.

So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

If A & B are different things. And B & C are different things. It doesn't mean the gap between A and B is even close to the gap between B and C.

So. No.

Is Eichel finally going to cry his way out of Buffalo?

"pre-butterfly era" was intentionally phrased. it's a good trail marker to show the incidental/coincidental shift in quality, not a description of every goalie's style.

And what will happen when you realize that the flaws in the butterfly style is one of the reasons why scoring is up in recent years, because goalies aren't good enough to stop what shooters can do now, particularly at more acute angles. So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

It's just tough to take this level of shortcuttery and expect a confident result...

Chicken Parm and Bobby Boucher will be lead analysts for ABC/ESPN. Big win. Yuge.

Vladimir Putin scores 8 goals

Czar Putin screams down the right wing faster than any player has ever traveled! A blistering 12kmh, he takes a long turn feigning almost losing an edge and rips a 20kmh shot through the goalie’s glove. How can anyone shoot so hard.

We’ve just received word during the intermission winger #2 on the Putin’s and d-man #4 on the dirty Chechen team have been gifted a glorious vacation to the beautiful Siberian getaway compound and will not be available for the rest of this game or probably ever. God I’m jealous of their luck.

It looks like they won the trip on this play, you see here the superhuman Putin executes the incredibly difficult head first throw the stick pass and it gently bounces from winger #2’s skate to d-man #4’s stick who is promptly thrown into the boards due to the power of the pass.

"pre-butterfly era" was intentionally phrased. it's a good trail marker to show the incidental/coincidental shift in quality, not a description of every goalie's style.

And what will happen when you realize that the flaws in the butterfly style is one of the reasons why scoring is up in recent years, because goalies aren't good enough to stop what shooters can do now, particularly at more acute angles. So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

It's just tough to take this level of shortcuttery and expect a confident result...

Wouldn’t a good high-school goalie of present day be better than a goalie from the 60’s or maybe 70’s?

Might as well give the Leafs and Oilers first-round byes. Joke division.

Might as well give the Leafs and Oilers first-round byes. Joke division.

The Leafs winning a series is never a given

"pre-butterfly era" was intentionally phrased. it's a good trail marker to show the incidental/coincidental shift in quality, not a description of every goalie's style.

And what will happen when you realize that the flaws in the butterfly style is one of the reasons why scoring is up in recent years, because goalies aren't good enough to stop what shooters can do now, particularly at more acute angles. So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

It's just tough to take this level of shortcuttery and expect a confident result...

Wouldn’t a good high-school goalie of present day be better than a goalie from the 60’s or maybe 70’s?

This has come up several times, and, really, even on the page you're on. The answer is: no chance. Not even close.

Vladimir Putin scores 8 goals

"pre-butterfly era" was intentionally phrased. it's a good trail marker to show the incidental/coincidental shift in quality, not a description of every goalie's style.

And what will happen when you realize that the flaws in the butterfly style is one of the reasons why scoring is up in recent years, because goalies aren't good enough to stop what shooters can do now, particularly at more acute angles. So, in 20 years, will we have to discount Crosby and McDavid because they were playing in the "butterfly era"...?

It's just tough to take this level of shortcuttery and expect a confident result...

Wouldn’t a good high-school goalie of present day be better than a goalie from the 60’s or maybe 70’s?

This has come up several times, and, really, even on the page you're on. The answer is: no chance. Not even close.

Fine, top level college hockey goalies would be better for sure. Just mechanics, training, nutrition, fundamentals, present day equipment.

Although for curiosity sake. Why wouldn’t a present day top level high school or college goalie just dominate against guys from 50/60 years ago?