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There's an ad on Facebook for the new Genesis tour. Phil Collins apparently sits during the show (not uncommon for him but he's not drumming anymore). It's sad.

Yeah, he has dropfoot and nerve damage to his back/neck/hands. His son Nic played drums for the solo tours over the last few years, and sounded/played much like his dad used to. This would be the first Genesis tour since the mid-70s that didn’t feature two drummers for longer stretches of a show. Phil’s voice sound fine though.

But yes, as Phil is my mom’s age, it’s tough to watch him (and others of that generation) get older and not be able to play, sing, etc. Crazy Horse guitarist Frank “Poncho” Sampedro has arthritis in both hands and can no longer play long concerts, and he had to retire. It really is sad.

I read an article maybe a year or so ago that talked about how we are in for a really depressing time in music. It then listed about 20 musicians and their ages. The amount of icons over 70 is ridiculous. In the next 10 years we are going to lose a significant part of music history.

Edit: Found the article. It's from August, 2019

https://theweek.com/articles/861750/com ... ock-legend

Bob Dylan (78 years old); Paul McCartney (77); Paul Simon (77) and Art Garfunkel (77); Carole King (77); Brian Wilson (77); Mick Jagger (76) and Keith Richards (75); Joni Mitchell (75); Jimmy Page (75) and Robert Plant (71); Ray Davies (75); Roger Daltrey (75) and Pete Townshend (74); Roger Waters (75) and David Gilmour (73); Rod Stewart (74); Eric Clapton (74); Debbie Harry (74); Neil Young (73); Van Morrison (73); Bryan Ferry (73); Elton John (72); Don Henley (72); James Taylor (71); Jackson Browne (70); Billy Joel (70); and Bruce Springsteen (69, but turning 70 next month).

Eh, they've had long careers and it's time for something new. Music needs to evolve.

yup

Eh, they've had long careers and it's time for something new. Music needs to evolve.

I say "punk sucks" and you jump on my case like I shot your dog.

I say "Man it will suck to lose all these iconic musicians" and your response is meh whatever.

You're a strange man...

Eh, they've had long careers and it's time for something new. Music needs to evolve.

I say "punk sucks" and you jump on my case like I shot your dog.

I say "Man it will suck to lose all these iconic musicians" and your response is meh whatever.

You're a strange man...

The thing is, in the 10 years after that we are going to lose a significant part of music history, too. And in the 10 years after that, too. And so on.

The thing is, in the 10 years after that we are going to lose a significant part of music history, too. And in the 10 years after that, too. And so on.

The thing is that list isn't complete. You can't convince me that there will be a group musicians that will die in 20 years are as important as the ones that are 70+ now.

The thing is, in the 10 years after that we are going to lose a significant part of music history, too. And in the 10 years after that, too. And so on.

The thing is that list isn't complete. You can't convince me that there will be a group musicians that will die in 20 years are as important as the ones that are 70+ now.

I know it's futile so I won't even try.

The thing is, in the 10 years after that we are going to lose a significant part of music history, too. And in the 10 years after that, too. And so on.

The thing is that list isn't complete. You can't convince me that there will be a group musicians that will die in 20 years are as important as the ones that are 70+ now.

AOR is a dead industry.

Also, much like with the balkanization of TV, music is super-organized around niche's that cater to a very small demo. So when the latest disposable k-pop star dies (who probably makes money than Pink Floyd ever did) it will have no effect on the zeitgeist.

It’s been a long time since I’ve been to an arena concert, and I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by this, but 2 upper deck tickets for Genesis in Charlotte came out to $520 plus fees.

What’s the secondary ticket market looking like these days? Will those prices drop at all before November?

Very jealous, I couldn't pull the trigger on those prices. Still a small chance I get rocked and buy tix for MSG, but damn is all the seats pricey

I agree with PFIDC. Acts nowadays, outside of country music to some extent, do not have the cultural staying power that bands/acts from the list he shared have. The Rolling Stones still sell out stadiums and they are all pushing 80 years old (and I think Charlie Watts is 81).

I also think one of the key differences nowadays is the lack of instrumentation in popular music. That's not to say there aren't some great bands out there, but they are not on Top 40 radio by and large. Most "acts" nowadays are just vocalists with an eff-ton of production behind them. What is going to make the deaths of so many from this group so tough is that the era of leading musicians playing their own instruments, with some notable exceptions, is largely passing.

Yup

And even the era between Classic Rock Gods and Pop Singers isn't exactly going to make me shed a lot of tears. Are we going to mourn the passing of the drummer for Scorpions the same way we would Ringo Starr? What about Tears for Fears or Devo? That's the "next up" group after this one. There really isn't a comparison IMO.

Boomer nostalgia garbage. Even non-boomers believe the boomer era rock heroes are the only gr8's.

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Ja

I think it’s just conflating fame with the quality of the output. No rock bands are going to reach the same levels of fame that the 60’s era class obtained. There’s a laundry list of social, cultural and economic reasons for that.

The music industry is so fragmented these days that a rock band will never gain the attention/sales/zeitgeist that a pop star or hip hop artist would these days. Rock isn't edgy any longer; it's mainstream almost like the crooners and whatever Andy Williams/Perry Como/Doris Day are considered in the post-war/pre-rock era.

I'm not saying that Royal Blood is like the Andrews Sisters, but the rock "sound" isn't as shocking as Little Richard (one year ago today, RIP) or Chuck Berry, or even the Beatles in 1963.

I have been saying this for close to 20 years at this point. The 'democratization' of music - putting tools in the hands of 'everyone' to make high quality recordings and distribute them - is a net negative.

The best rock band in the world today, imo, is made up of 50-year old ex-punk rockers, and the next best band, imo, is a British 4-piece that's emulating 70s bands. I will die on the hill defending Foo Fighters and The Struts, but I don't think that them being the representative acts of rock circa 2021 is healthy.

I have been saying this for close to 20 years at this point. The 'democratization' of music - putting tools in the hands of 'everyone' to make high quality recordings and distribute them - is a net negative.

The best rock band in the world today, imo, is made up of 50-year old ex-punk rockers, and the next best band, imo, is a British 4-piece that's emulating 70s bands. I will die on the hill defending Foo Fighters and The Struts, but I don't think that them being the representative acts of rock circa 2021 is healthy.

I think it's less the democratization of making music, and more the democratization in access to it. People stopped buying albums, studios stopped making money, bands then stopped getting rich.

Terrible take, tif. Terrible.

Ignore the stupid click bait title. This whole group of kids is great.

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