Fifth Avenue Forum

One thing I never said was he'd drop off a cliff and never be heard from again. Time will tell though. I can only speak for myself and people close to me, we have no interest in putitng him back in power again.

The problem here is that....... how to put this......... he's never left power in too many people's minds. People like Kevin McCarthy. People like MTG and Matt Gaetz, who are the highest fundraisers in Congress at the moment. People like the people who vote for McCarthy, MTG, Gaets, Jordan, etc. Trump is still the boss, and he will be until the day he dies. It has nothing to do with holding elective office. They've utterly cucked themselves out to le Grand Cheeto. It doesn't matter if he ever holds office again. I mean, we're all better off without him able to pull the levers of power of the Executive Branch, but he still effectively calls the shots for the GOP in Congress, and it seems certain judicial appointees.

Honestly, if that's what it ends up being, it's a better outcome than I had expected.

Trump's latest complaint in AZ is they won't give up the router logs. Lots of remote calls to those Dominion servers from China in those logs I bet.

I have no issue with shaming unvaxxed people who die from COVID. their deaths were entirely preventable and it's a waste of human life.
your average person doesn't need to be "very publicly" shamed but anyone who was very publicly vocal about "the vax doesn't work!" as well as "COVID is nothing but a the fl*!" needs to be called out.

That's why at this point, I think you're past the kid-games and doing the PR campaigns of real information. You need to go to straight embarrassment, or start making these people identify as unvaccinated, that's IF you care about the delta variant to the degree they do and it's as bad as they're saying for unvaccinated people.

I just don't know, there's gotta be a point where they're going to have to go all-in and fight anti-vaxxers, or just take the hard-line stance and actually come out and say "do your own thing, but if you're not vaxxed and get COVID, we're going to make it so insurance companies won't cover your hospital trip, so stay home and die, or go to the hospital and die but your family is going to be bankrupt."

I've never been so polarized by people outright refusing a medical breakthrough to save the whole of the group.