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That has been the general thought about the staffing crisis in our industry. That once the stimulus checks/unemployment benefits finally dry up, it will force people to reenter the workforce. It has been brutal lately.

yeah, that's right. i always tell my wife that the jobs report is her fault because she took the year off to make sure our family stayed rolling.

your attempts at insults are weird

yeah, that's right. i always tell my wife that the jobs report is her fault because she took the year off to make sure our family stayed rolling.

your attempts at insults are weird

Your attempts at not understanding joking hashtags are also odd.

#lightenupfrancis

I can't believe you guys think I have worse takes than Freddy

yeah, that's right. i always tell my wife that the jobs report is her fault because she took the year off to make sure our family stayed rolling.

your attempts at insults are weird

Your attempts at not understanding joking hashtags are also odd.

#lightenupfrancis

how many times this calendar year do you think you made a joke that nobody else thinks is a joke, and then you act like it's everyone's failing for not recognizing your comedy chops?

hashtags don't mean what you think they mean. maybe that's where this all falls apart

That has been the general thought about the staffing crisis in our industry. That once the stimulus checks/unemployment benefits finally dry up, it will force people to reenter the workforce. It has been brutal lately.

I don't understand this (the sentiment, not you in particular, shaf).

Stimulus checks are gone. They were a paltry sum to begin with. I'm impressed if people are living on those amounts that were given to them over the course of the last year. Maybe the continual breeder funds have kicked in but you have to think that's a net zero when you consider the cost of having a kid.
Unemployment is also a very small sum. The $600 CARES Act plus up is long gone. Regular unemployment pays a fraction of what your prior wages were.
Do you really want people in your workforce that are okay with having the bare minimum quality of life just so they can avoid work?

Either a lot of people are incredibly frugal and milking the last bit of stimulus savings they were able to amass, or there is something else at play. I can only think of two things; lots of people are still not paying rent which won't bump earnings but will help the cash flow, or people are pushing a narrative because they don't like other people getting handouts. This despite everyone getting the stimulus, and unemployment being insurance.

Source of the post Out of three stimuli I received somewhere around $15k total.

Source of the post Out of three stimuli I received somewhere around $15k total.

Do you believe this to be "the norm"?

South Carolina’s businesses have borne the brunt of the financial impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. Those businesses that have survived—both large and small, and including those in the hospitality, tourism, manufacturing, and healthcare sectors—now face an unprecedented labor shortage.

This labor shortage is being created in large part by the supplemental unemployment payments that the federal government provides claimants on top of their state unemployment benefits. In many instances, these payments are greater than the worker’s previous paychecks. What was intended to be short-term financial assistance for the vulnerable and displaced during the height of the pandemic has turned into a dangerous federal entitlement, incentivizing and paying workers to stay at home rather than encouraging them to return to the workplace.

These federal entitlements pose a clear and present danger to the health of our State’s businesses and to our economy. Since the Biden administration and Congress appear to have little to no comprehension of the damage being done and no appetite to terminate the federal payments, theState of South Carolina must take action.

Accordingly, I hereby direct the Department of Employment and Workforce (DEW) to terminate the State of South Carolina’s participation in the Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation (FPUC) program, the Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) program, the pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC) program, the Mixed Earner Unemployment Compensation (MEUC) program, the Emergency Unemployment Relief for governmental Entities and Non-profit Organizations program, and the Temporary FederalFunding of the First Week of Compensable Regular Unemployment for States with No Waiting Week program, effective June 30, 2021

That has been the general thought about the staffing crisis in our industry. That once the stimulus checks/unemployment benefits finally dry up, it will force people to reenter the workforce. It has been brutal lately.

I don't understand this (the sentiment, not you in particular, shaf).

Stimulus checks are gone. They were a paltry sum to begin with. I'm impressed if people are living on those amounts that were given to them over the course of the last year. Maybe the continual breeder funds have kicked in but you have to think that's a net zero when you consider the cost of having a kid.
Unemployment is also a very small sum. The $600 CARES Act plus up is long gone. Regular unemployment pays a fraction of what your prior wages were.
Do you really want people in your workforce that are okay with having the bare minimum quality of life just so they can avoid work?

Either a lot of people are incredibly frugal and milking the last bit of stimulus savings they were able to amass, or there is something else at play. I can only think of two things; lots of people are still not paying rent which won't bump earnings but will help the cash flow, or people are pushing a narrative because they don't like other people getting handouts. This despite everyone getting the stimulus, and unemployment being insurance.

Source of the post Out of three stimuli I received somewhere around $15k total.

Do you believe this to be "the norm"?

So Governor Henry "Foghorn Leghorn" McMaster - running for reelection in 2022 - is asking for SC to pull stop all Federal unemployment benefits by June 30, so the lazy will get back to work. From the gub'ner hisself:

South Carolina’s businesses have borne the brunt of the financial impact of the COVID-19 pandemic. Those businesses that have survived—both large and small, and including those in the hospitality, tourism, manufacturing, and healthcare sectors—now face an unprecedented labor shortage.

This labor shortage is being created in large part by the supplemental unemployment payments that the federal government provides claimants on top of their state unemployment benefits. In many instances, these payments are greater than the worker’s previous paychecks. What was intended to be short-term financial assistance for the vulnerable and displaced during the height of the pandemic has turned into a dangerous federal entitlement, incentivizing and paying workers to stay at home rather than encouraging them to return to the workplace.

These federal entitlements pose a clear and present danger to the health of our State’s businesses and to our economy. Since the Biden administration and Congress appear to have little to no comprehension of the damage being done and no appetite to terminate the federal payments, theState of South Carolina must take action.

Accordingly, I hereby direct the Department of Employment and Workforce (DEW) to terminate the State of South Carolina’s participation in the Federal Pandemic Unemployment Compensation (FPUC) program, the Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA) program, the pandemic Emergency Unemployment Compensation (PEUC) program, the Mixed Earner Unemployment Compensation (MEUC) program, the Emergency Unemployment Relief for governmental Entities and Non-profit Organizations program, and the Temporary FederalFunding of the First Week of Compensable Regular Unemployment for States with No Waiting Week program, effective June 30, 2021

Not the bolded part above. I love how he actually acknowledges how poorly some of these jobs pay.

Source of the post Out of three stimuli I received somewhere around $15k total.

Do you believe this to be "the norm"?

No, because most people don't have 4 kids like Freddy (See the population decline articles earlier in this thread)

This is why I think the stimmy check argument is mostly stupid. There's not enough money to make it a month if you're a family, unless you're living free on rent and spacing out that food rations with 99 cent ramen noodles all the time.

I just don't think the money offered gets you far without a job.

This is why I think the stimmy check argument is mostly stupid. There's not enough money to make it a month if you're a family, unless you're living free on rent and spacing out that food rations with 99 cent ramen noodles all the time.

I just don't think the money offered gets you far without a job.

I haven't really heard anyone say it's stimmy check related. It's the unemployment pay that goes through September along with no rent, etc that has been pointed to.

I mean, $2,000 bucks (the last trumpbux check plus bidenbux) equates to 166 hours worked at $12/hour. In other words, if you earn $12 an hour, you just got yourself at least 4 or 5 weeks worth of pay tax free.

I mean, $2,000 bucks (the last trumpbux check plus bidenbux) equates to 166 hours worked at $12/hour. In other words, if you earn $12 an hour, you just got yourself at least 4 or 5 weeks worth of pay tax free.

While true, I would bet on a larger portion of people treating that stimmy check as a spending spree rather than an educated financial decision.

This is why I think the stimmy check argument is mostly stupid. There's not enough money to make it a month if you're a family, unless you're living free on rent and spacing out that food rations with 99 cent ramen noodles all the time.

I just don't think the money offered gets you far without a job.

I haven't really heard anyone say it's stimmy check related. It's the unemployment pay that goes through September along with no rent, etc that has been pointed to.

Except to receive that extra money you have to have been let go as a result of COVID and your job hasn't been offered back to you.
My wife was unemployed for 10 weeks last year, but didn't qualify for the COVID unemployment bonus, and we took pay cuts early in the pandemic. I Figure that despite the ~$12k in stimulus our family of five received, we probably only broke even.