Fifth Avenue Forum

why is Lincoln Project still a thing?

This

They need more money to groom sexual predators evidently.

Handled the fallout better than the Catholic Church, at least.

The LP being opportunistic low character charlatans doesn't matter. Any organization has skeletons in its closet. It's a separate consideration from the service they provide. They make media collateral that's better than home grown stuff from Dems - which makes them useful idiots. These ads, though, they're just jerk off material for people who already agree with the premise. 2020 showed that TV ads don't really move the needle anymore. So i dunno...maybe they have basically no value. But whatever. i liked the commercial.

Why would I care about a dig at the Catholic Church?

Re people 'pretending' to believe in the Big Lie

Why? To what point and purpose do you put on a public face that you believe the lie if the central tenet of the lie is not an actual thing that moves the needle amongst your electorate? It's all well and good if you think you're heading off a primary challenge, but a primary challenge from a crazy person is only a threat if that person cultivates a significant following vested in their crazy.

Re people 'pretending' to believe in the Big Lie

Why? To what point and purpose do you put on a public face that you believe the lie if the central tenet of the lie is not an actual thing that moves the needle amongst your electorate? It's all well and good if you think you're heading off a primary challenge, but a primary challenge from a crazy person is only a threat if that person cultivates a significant following vested in their crazy.

Re people 'pretending' to believe in the Big Lie

Why? To what point and purpose do you put on a public face that you believe the lie if the central tenet of the lie is not an actual thing that moves the needle amongst your electorate? It's all well and good if you think you're heading off a primary challenge, but a primary challenge from a crazy person is only a threat if that person cultivates a significant following vested in their crazy.

There's no punishment for toeing the Donald Trump line of the party. The only GOP folks that face backlash are the ones that side with democrats or the media. The pretenders are making the calculation that their political viability remains in staying in the good graces with the chuds. The NANs and Colby's of the world of the "don't care" aren't engaged, and as advertised, don't care (enough to engage) whether their GOP candidate is a hooting maga chud or a Mitt Romney.

So, this is why I think the folks that don't care should care, go vote in the primary and make the politicians accountable the sensible voters and not the hooting maga chuds.

And if your reason is "doesn't matter", they'll still lose, then that contradicts the argument that the chuds are a minority.

Depends on what qualifies as "don't care"

I dont care enough to go be a political advocate and try and change the direction of the party (beyond my vote). Mainly because idgaf about the party.

But if someone is blabbing about the big steal in front of me and I felt like arguing I'd probably put them in their place.

they didn't include a single social media post of someone being upset as "evidence" of mass hysteria. that's one of the worst articles I've ever read

everyone here thinks the jeopardy thing is stupid.

related point...if it wasn't obvious, shaf, NAN and KC are not considered MAGA mutants by people here (I don't think). as abhorrent as i find your political and social beliefs, you aren't in the same category as the median GOP voter.

Re people 'pretending' to believe in the Big Lie

Why? To what point and purpose do you put on a public face that you believe the lie if the central tenet of the lie is not an actual thing that moves the needle amongst your electorate? It's all well and good if you think you're heading off a primary challenge, but a primary challenge from a crazy person is only a threat if that person cultivates a significant following vested in their crazy.

There's no punishment for toeing the Donald Trump line of the party. The only GOP folks that face backlash are the ones that side with democrats or the media. The pretenders are making the calculation that their political viability remains in staying in the good graces with the chuds. The NANs and Colby's of the world of the "don't care" aren't engaged, and as advertised, don't care (enough to engage) whether their GOP candidate is a hooting maga chud or a Mitt Romney.

So, this is why I think the folks that don't care should care, go vote in the primary and make the politicians accountable the sensible voters and not the hooting maga chuds.

And if your reason is "doesn't matter", they'll still lose, then that contradicts the argument that the chuds are a minority.

everyone here thinks the jeopardy thing is stupid.

related point...if it wasn't obvious, shaf, NAN and KC are not considered MAGA mutants by people here (I don't think). as abhorrent as i find your political and social beliefs, you aren't in the same category as the median GOP voter.

Oh

I think congressfolk perpetuate the bogus election claims for two reasons.

#1 it gets their name in the news and allows them to build a brand. No publicity is bad publicity

#2 the Trump GOP makes it so you're either with them or against them, and the only people with the balls to go against them have the brains not to. They're "waiting it out" if you will. Idk if that's smart or dumb. It's only been 3 months. And tbh I haven't paid enough attention to know whether the Trump GOP is gaining steam or losing it.

“This idea that you just disregard President Trump is not where we are — and frankly, he has a lot to offer still.”

i think guys like Hawley and Cruz have already gone through the reps that you're going through, and have determined that no - this conspiracy theory is a real thing and they need to play along to stay in good favor with the voting majority. if it was, say, 25% of GOP were conspiracy-riddled trumpers, then congress would still be sucking up to CEOs and giving reasonably sane TV interviews.