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Although there is no evidence of fraud or wrongdoing in the 2020 election, many still say that Biden did not legitimately win enough votes to become president. The poll suggests the share of Americans who believe that falsehood has held roughly steady since just before he took office in January at 30%. Those doubts are concentrated among Republicans, 70% of whom say they do not think Biden won enough votes to be president. But the share of Republicans who falsely say there is solid evidence that Biden did not win has dropped from 58% in January to 50% now.

Still at 70% in new CNN poll

Although there is no evidence of fraud or wrongdoing in the 2020 election, many still say that Biden did not legitimately win enough votes to become president. The poll suggests the share of Americans who believe that falsehood has held roughly steady since just before he took office in January at 30%. Those doubts are concentrated among Republicans, 70% of whom say they do not think Biden won enough votes to be president. But the share of Republicans who falsely say there is solid evidence that Biden did not win has dropped from 58% in January to 50% now.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/30/politics ... index.html

Honestly, ask yourself who's more likely to answer a telephonic survey consisting of those questions. A guy like me trying to live my regular life that is negligibly impacted by the political party of the POTUS, or some Trump-shrine having maniac who hates the libs. And then tell me if that 70% number is applicable.

Honestly, ask yourself who's more likely to answer a telephonic survey consisting of those questions. A guy like me trying to live my regular life that is negligibly impacted by the political party of the POTUS, or some Trump-shrine having maniac who hates the libs. And then tell me if that 70% number is applicable.

You're not paying attention because Liz Cheney is about to pushed out (and she should be but for other reasons) of her leadership position.

Honestly, ask yourself who's more likely to answer a telephonic survey consisting of those questions. A guy like me trying to live my regular life that is negligibly impacted by the political party of the POTUS, or some Trump-shrine having maniac who hates the libs. And then tell me if that 70% number is applicable.

You're not paying attention because Liz Cheney is about to pushed out (and she should be but for other reasons) of her leadership position.

I'm not. You picked a fight with me. I told you that poll is a joke. That's it.

Where would you guess the number is,KC? Percent of Republicans who think Trump actually won? 10? 30? 50?

Every poll Ive seen on this is 50-70% over the last 5 months. At some poInt, sample size isn’t gonna play anymore.

Every poll Ive seen on this is 50-70% over the last 5 months. At some poInt, sample size isn’t gonna play anymore.

Who is more likely to respond to that survey:

1. A normal person
2. A whacko MAGA disciple with a bone to pick

One character answer, 1 or 2.

You can't just wish things into existence...

Aside from the evidence in the polls, that sitting congressmen can still not say plainly that Biden won...that tells you what these congressmen believe to be true about the majority of their voters.

You can't just wish things into existence...

Who is the one ignoring all sources if information here?

It’s similar to freddy’s “conservatives are fine with getting vaccinated because the hundreds of trump voters I know are vaccinated.”

Your personal experience is fine, but evidence suggests that’s not how the rest of the world feels/works.

Every poll Ive seen on this is 50-70% over the last 5 months. At some poInt, sample size isn’t gonna play anymore.

Who is more likely to respond to that survey:

1. A normal person
2. A whacko MAGA disciple with a bone to pick

One character answer, 1 or 2.

2 - because that’s today’s GOP. Extra characters needed. Apologies.

Response bias is definitely a thing, and it definitely makes using single polls to prove a point fruitless. That's why aggregating polls, like 538 does, is more predictive.

Overall, I think this is one of those things where it makes no sense to try and glean the true position of the GOP base on something. The question is really,

- who actually believes this
- who pretends to believe it to gin up the MAGA chuds
- who pretends to believe this to pwn the libs
- who doesn't care
- who actively pushes back against the false narrative

Colby, i think the disconnect is that you are definitely attune to the nuance between 1-4, and I can see your point. But this kind of goes back to the discussion a few weeks ago about the direction of the GOP. I think the 5th group should be the prominent one, and the "don't care" should care and move to that group.

Response bias is definitely a thing, and it definitely makes using single polls to prove a point fruitless. That's why aggregating polls, like 538 does, is more predictive.

Overall, I think this is one of those things where it makes no sense to try and glean the true position of the GOP base on something. The question is really,

- who actually believes this
- who pretends to believe it to gin up the MAGA chuds
- who pretends to believe this to pwn the libs
- who doesn't care
- who actively pushes back against the false narrative

Colby, i think the disconnect is that you are definitely attune to the nuance between 1-4, and I can see your point. But this kind of goes back to the discussion a few weeks ago about the direction of the GOP. I think the 5th group should be the prominent one, and the "don't care" should care and move to that group.

Every poll Ive seen on this is 50-70% over the last 5 months. At some poInt, sample size isn’t gonna play anymore.

Who is more likely to respond to that survey:

1. A normal person
2. A whacko MAGA disciple with a bone to pick

One character answer, 1 or 2.

2 - because that’s today’s GOP. Extra characters needed. Apologies.

That wasn't the question. You answered who you think is more likely to be surveyed.

The question is... between 1 and 2, who is more likely to answer the survey and not hang up the phone.