All Things Guns & Ammo

Postby **Willie Kool** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:10 pm

Been looking at this 20 gauge Mossberg 500 and I think I'm going to be buying one soon, and adding a rail system and a LaserLyte Kryptonyte sight.

http://www.mossberg.com/product/500-per ... hot-50450/

http://www.laserlyte.com/products/cm-15

I think it'll be a good home defense gun that can be accurately shot from the hip, and that the wife can easily shoot.

Postby **tifosi77** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:10 pm

That is literally the dumbest idea I've ever seen realized.

There's a guy who flies a drone in my neighborhood; I need to find a suitable solution to that particular annoyance.
Just get a RC helicopter to protect your airspace.

I take tif as more of a ground-based laser defense kind of guy.

I was thinking more along the lines of a pellet gun. But the laser idea is not without its merits...........

Postby **Shyster** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:25 pm

Been looking at this 20 gauge Mossberg 500 and I think I'm going to be buying one soon, and adding a rail system and a LaserLyte Kryptonyte sight.

Give us all a review if you get that LaserLyte. That looks like a really neat sight.

Postby **Willie Kool** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:19 pm

I take tif as more of a ground-based laser defense kind of guy.
I was thinking more along the lines of a pellet gun. But the laser idea is not without its merits...........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVrJUbeuG44

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:46 am

My new toy, a kimber custom II 1911. Won it at a sportsman's bash yesterday on a $5 choice of table. Thing is absolutely beautiful

http://imgur.com/c8Ed6t2

Postby **cadams** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:59 am

So you got a Kimber for $5? I hate you.

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:00 am

In a vacuum yes. I spent $100 to get in and about another $100 before I won... Not to mention all the bashes I've gone to in the past and lost.

Postby **cadams** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:02 am

In a vacuum yes. I spent $100 to get in and about another $100 before I won... Not to mention all the bashes I've gone to in the past and lost.

So you finally broke even then

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:05 am

Basically.

Postby **Morkle** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:04 am

I'm really thinking about getting an AK here in the next couple of months. I have an AR - but I love the AK build.

Postby **tifosi77** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:40 am

In a vacuum yes. I spent $100 to get in and about another $100 before I won... Not to mention all the bashes I've gone to in the past and lost.

No cross-collateralization; it's not like previous money went towards the Kimber.

Also, I hate you.

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:15 pm

In a vacuum yes. I spent $100 to get in and about another $100 before I won... Not to mention all the bashes I've gone to in the past and lost.
No cross-collateralization; it's not like previous money went towards the Kimber.

Also, I hate you.

Tell that to my wife

Postby **AuthorTony** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:25 pm

Today I was driving home from NJ and on the PA pike. I needed gas and stopped at the Blue Mtn. rest stop. I filled up my Jeep but the receipt didn't print, so I left my Jeep at the pump and went into the plaza to get a printed receipt. When I came back outside (approx. 10 min. later - it took a while) a guy was filling up his pickup and parked on the opposite side of the pump from me. When I returned, he said, "Thanks for parking at the pump @sshole!" I glanced a bit in his direction and he said, "Yeah, I'm talking to you mother*cker." I ignored him and got into my Jeep and he continued yelling and swearing as I buckled up and got ready to leave. As I started up my Jeep, he backed his truck in front of me, preventing me from leaving and screamed out his window what a f-ing a-hole I was for leaving my Jeep at the pump, that I was a fat f-ing loser, etc.

I remained calm for about a good minute of this then told him to f off and get the f out of my way. That increased his anger by about 10x and he was screaming so loud people at other pumps started to pay attention. He kept shouting profanities and then opened his truck door and said, "Do you want me to get out? I'll get out!" I went back to ignoring him and put up my windows. Another minute passed and he left, probably because his wife or girlfriend in the passenger seat told him what a psycho he was being.

Now, I probably was an a-hole for leaving my Jeep at the pump but I didn't feel like starting it, driving 5 feet and parking, and shutting it off again. I get bad gas mileage as is. Plus, there were at least 4 empty pumps when I left and 2 or 3 empty pumps when I returned. The reason I'm typing all of this is because it got me thinking about self-defense. I didn't have my pistol and I rarely do unless I'm going to or coming from the range, so that wasn't an option. But if I had been carrying, would it have been legal to show it to him (not point it at him) when he was blocking me from leaving the pump? I probably will never carry even though I have my permit, but now I'm curious as to how the law works in situations like this.

Postby **dodint** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:55 pm

Source of the post ...would it have been legal to show it to him (not point it at him) when he was blocking me from leaving the pump?

No, and it's unethical and specifically taught as a big no-no in CCW courses. You take it out when you're ready to fire it. Taking it out as a threat opens you up to all kinds of liability and does nothing but escalate the situation. For instance, if you flash your weapon and a third party sees it, assumes the worst, and opens fire on either of you, you share part of that responsibility.

Postby **AuthorTony** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:20 pm

Source of the post ...would it have been legal to show it to him (not point it at him) when he was blocking me from leaving the pump?
No, and it's unethical and specifically taught as a big no-no in CCW courses. You take it out when you're ready to fire it. Taking it out as a threat opens you up to all kinds of liability and does nothing but escalate the situation. For instance, if you flash your weapon and a third party sees it, assumes the worst, and opens fire on either of you, you share part of that responsibility.

That's what I assumed. I can definitely understand why a lot of people do carry all the time, but instances like this are a good example of why I don't. If I'd have had my pistol in my Jeep and he'd have started coming toward me, I don't know how I would have reacted. I mean, I'm 100% sure I wouldn't have shot (heck, I don't even keep it loaded in the house & the only time I have rounds in the magazine is when I load it at the range), but I could have been tempted to show it and tell him to back off and let me leave.

Postby **tifosi77** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:43 pm

I probably would've hit him with my car when he opened his door.

Postby **Shyster** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:17 pm

As part of a lawsuit settlement, Taurus is voluntarily recalling more than a million of their semi-auto pistols. The affected models are the PT-111 Millennium; PT-132 Millennium; PT-138 Millennium; PT-140 Millennium; PT-145 Millennium; PT-745 Millennium; PT-609; PT-640; and PT-24/7. The suit alleged that these pistols can fire when dropped—even if the safeties are engaged at the time.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index ... y_rec.html

Postby **mac5155** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:19 pm

PT 740? That's my EDC.

Postby **Shyster** » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:23 pm

PT 740? That's my EDC.

From all of the stories I've read on this, the allegations are limited to the listed models. Considering this was a pretty big lawsuit, if there were problems with other models I think those other models would have been included.

Postby **mac5155** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:22 pm

Cool. I know Taurus gets a bad name, but I have not had any problems wwith my 740 slim. I wanted something that could take abuse. I am outside a lot, and wanted something to carry when offroading. If I dropped a $600 glock in the mud, I'd be kind of upset. For under $300, the thing goes bang every time I pull the trigger.

Postby **cadams** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 3:55 pm

It is acceptable to use deadly force, at least in SC, if you can be deemed to have used reasonable force by a reasonable person. Now what you would have going for you is castle doctrine applies to being in your car in most cases, mainly to prevent car jackings. But in the scenario described, I wouldn't have felt that my life was in danger or that I would sustain permanent harm by an dadhole yelling at me from his car and blocking me in. If you wanted to escalate you could call the cops for unlawful detainment or kidnapping and assault for the implied threats of harm but that's about it.

I'd have to see him come out of the car with something that could be used as a weapon before the idea of drawing would come into play but even then I'd probably hit him with my car first and speed away calling the cops on him that he was threatening me.

Postby **tifosi77** » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:07 pm

Okay, so that's two votes for hitting him with the car. I like that.

Postby **Morkle** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 am

Snagged a Century Arms Model 39 Centurion AK yesterday. Shooting it today, can't wait.

Postby **tifosi77** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:27 pm

Local range posted this to Facebook this morning, thought it was a useful visual reference.

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:20 pm

Actually, that is awesome.