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Don’t blame the actor for following the protocol that the actors have always followed.

"It's always been done that way" is a terrible argument in any circumstance especially when "that way" is wrong.

Don’t blame the actor for following the protocol that the actors have always followed.

I'll address two of your posts here.

"It's always been done that way" is a terrible argument in any circumstance especially when "that way" is wrong.

You don't need to "regulate" prop guns. You just need to practice common **** sense. Clear the gun before handling it. If someone who doesn't know how to do that is handling it, you give them a 5 minute training session. If that happens, nobody dies.

People are also carrying water for Baldwin.

"Prop gun"
"Just an actor"
"He must feel horrible."

As I said initially, we're working our way towards him being the victim.

Don’t blame the actor for following the protocol that the actors have always followed.

"It's always been done that way" is a terrible argument in any circumstance especially when "that way" is wrong.

There are regulations in place to prevent accidents like this. And they're incredibly rare so the regulations work. There will likely be more regulations as a result of this accident. The problem isn't "it's always been done that way." The problem with this set was they didn't follow the regulations that are put in place. The blame for the accident should be squarely on the armorer, prop master, and AD. Because that's the part of the process that failed. Now, if you want to go further and look at why those people were hired or why the union camera crew walked off set due to unsafe conditions, then you also put the blame on the producers and the director.

People are also carrying water for Baldwin.

"Prop gun"
"Just an actor"
"He must feel horrible."

As I said initially, we're working our way towards him being the victim.

why the **** were there live rounds on set at all? is that typical?

Calling it a 'prop gun' is just using language to cloak that fact that someone took a loaded functioning firearm and fired it at a person.

Paul Walker died in a Prop Porsche while doing promotional charity work, I guess.

Source of the post why didn't they go the Sopranos route and use a hilariously fake looking gun?

Live ammo should never within miles of a hot set.

What apparently happened was this particular handgun was the personal property of some random dude who was loaning it to the production. And instead of retaining custodial control of the piece throughout production, the armorer returned it the owner every day after use on set. And owner guy took it out for target shooting between filming days, and when it was delivered back to the film company the owner hadn't unloaded it. And then no one in the safety chain on set ever cleared it.

This whole Baldwin discussion is weird. There are a dozen or more people that have some fault here, with Baldwin shouldering the most of any individual. You know. Because he **** killed someone.

It's people who only have an appetite for delicious irony if it negatively impacts people they already don't like.

Go online and support Trump and say Covid isn't real, then die from Covid? Nom, nom, nom....deeeeelicious. more please!

Spend your days opining about gun control and touting the dangers of the gun epidemic in this country, then kill someone with a real gun (stop referring to it as a prop gun) while playing make-believe for a sh*t ton of money? What a tragedy...it didn't have to happen. Can't imagine what he's going through. Not his fault.

I know many disagree, but I don't see the value in relishing in either scenario. It just shows a total lack of empathy. Making fun of, shaming, gleefully cheering on tragedy is just so.....Trump-like to me.

This might be the closest comparison yet, but your drive to normalize and rationalize people killing themselves with stupidity by COVID is super strange at this point.

Calling it a 'prop gun' is just using language to cloak that fact that someone took a loaded functioning firearm and fired it at a person.

Paul Walker died in a Prop Porsche while doing promotional charity work, I guess.

It's literally just the nomenclature of a gun on a film set. Nobody is trying to cloak anything. That's actually the name.

Calling it a 'prop gun' is just using language to cloak that fact that someone took a loaded functioning firearm and fired it at a person.

Paul Walker died in a Prop Porsche while doing promotional charity work, I guess.

It's literally just the nomenclature of a gun on a film set. Nobody is trying to cloak anything. That's actually the name.

It perpetuates the 'real world rules do not apply to the magic of movie making' mindset that pervades this discussion. Which is pretty gross given that there is a real dead woman and a real injured man involved. Moviemaking is possibly the most frivolous activity undertaken by a society, even moreso than college football. It gets absolutely no cover from me in instances like this. (See also: Twilight Zone movie helicopter crash)

Frame it however you want; if you choose to engage in this way that is your choice.

Yinz are spending a whole lot of time on something that I feel deserves 10 seconds at most. It's bizarre to me.

Yinz are spending a whole lot of time on something that I feel deserves 10 seconds at most. It's bizarre to me.

Yinz are spending a whole lot of time on something that I feel deserves 10 seconds at most. It's bizarre to me.

what else is there to talk about?