Star Wars discussion (SPOILERS INCLUDED)

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

The Last Jedi is such a fun hate-watch for me. What a despicably bad movie.

[DigitalGypsy66]

General Strix is played by French actor Mathieu Kassovitz, who I just watched in The Bureau (highly recommended non-SW viewing, if you can find it). I literally did the DiCaprio snapping fingers and pointing meme at my TV while yelling his character's name from The Bureau.

[tifosi77]

Bryce Dallas Howard had shown herself to be a capable and reliable steward of storytelling in the SW universe.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Not gonna lie, I am enjoying Skeleton Crew. Breath of fresh air in the SW universe. I had grave concerns after my two teenagers bailed halfway through the first episode. But I persevered!

Speaking of fresh air, is this the first time airlocks have been used for capital punishment in the Star Wars movies/shows? I know Leia does her space breathing thing in one of the films, but I can't recall sending anyone out an airlock for punishment before. Having read and watched The Expanse, "venting" folks is pretty common.

[tifosi77]

Funny how both of the first two Alien/s movies end with airlock venting. Something along those lines happens in a couple episodes of Clone Wars iirc. (Fun fact: TIE fighters are so cheap n part because the cockpits aren't pressurized) But not as a capital punishment thing.

For sone reason I'm still having a hard time totally buying Jod as the bad guy. A self-centered pirate, yes. But he's not evil. He's more like space Jack Sparrow with a less dandy affect.

[Stoosh]

Funny how both of the first two Alien/s movies end with airlock venting. Something along those lines happens in a couple episodes of Clone Wars iirc. (Fun fact: TIE fighters are so cheap n part because the cockpits aren't pressurized) But not as a capital punishment thing.

For sone reason I'm still having a hard time totally buying Jod as the bad guy. A self-centered pirate, yes. But he's not evil. He's more like space Jack Sparrow with a less dandy affect.

I've loved the entire show so far. Probably the most enjoyable live action show they've since Andor/Mando Season 2. A few quick thoughts...

When Jod didn't kill the little mouse/rat thing that lives in 33's head in this last episode, that kind of sold me as "not evil". Jude Law has been terrific in walking that line.

I'm really interested to know the background of the mint on At Attin - specifically, who the hell do all the credits belong to? I'm not up on a lot of the Expanded Universe lore but one of the sidebar "real universe" discussions that come in Star Wars fandoms is, "How did the Empire pay for everything?" I wonder if stashing a mint on what is literally a hidden planet may be one of those, um, revenue streams.

[tifosi77]

There were eight other planets like At Attin - I think they were collectively referred to as the 'nine treasures' or something - and their operations all (apparently) predate the Empire by centuries. Basically they are printing money that hasn't been money for.....50 years? but it seems the dataries are made of some sort of precious material so each individual chip/coin/note still has intrinsic value. It would be like going to the grocery store today and paying with a dubloon......which would be a goddamn f**king legendary power move, but I digress.

Some have translated Aurebesh from an earlier episode that indicates At Attin is actually in the same galactic sector as Dathomir. That's interesting because when Thrawn returned from Planet Faraway in the finale of Ahsoka they were making way towards Dathomir. So I'm wondering if this mint isn't so much how the Empire paid for everything but is rather tied to the rise of the First Order to bring us to the Sequels and Palps returning (somehow).

But it's kind of a neat parallel that the two biggest breaths of fresh air in the SW D+ canon (Skeleton Crew and Andor) have both been centered around heist capers.

I feel like At Attin is a nice commentary on the state of much of SW Fandom Menace in general. Stuck in this nice safe idyllic bubble surrounded by the security of the way things used to be.

[nocera]

Have you guys heard of/watched the Patterson cuts? They are fan edits of the Kenobi, Boba Fett, Ahsoka series each recut into 2.5 hour films. One of my major complaints of the D+ series (SW and Marvel) are that they would all work better as 2 hour movies. There's so much fat on them. Do we need 5 hours to tell the Kenobi story? Or 6 hours to tell Hawkeye's little Christmas side quest? I don't have it in me to re-watch Boba Fett, even in this format, but I'm looking forward to Kenobi. There was a good story in there somewhere and hopefully this brings it out.

[Stoosh]

There were eight other planets like At Attin - I think they were collectively referred to as the 'nine treasures' or something - and their operations all (apparently) predate the Empire by centuries. Basically they are printing money that hasn't been money for.....50 years? but it seems the dataries are made of some sort of precious material so each individual chip/coin/note still has intrinsic value. It would be like going to the grocery store today and paying with a dubloon......which would be a goddamn f**king legendary power move, but I digress.

Some have translated Aurebesh from an earlier episode that indicates At Attin is actually in the same galactic sector as Dathomir. That's interesting because when Thrawn returned from Planet Faraway in the finale of Ahsoka they were making way towards Dathomir. So I'm wondering if this mint isn't so much how the Empire paid for everything but is rather tied to the rise of the First Order to bring us to the Sequels and Palps returning (somehow).

But it's kind of a neat parallel that the two biggest breaths of fresh air in the SW D+ canon (Skeleton Crew and Andor) have both been centered around heist capers.

I feel like At Attin is a nice commentary on the state of much of SW Fandom Menace in general. Stuck in this nice safe idyllic bubble surrounded by the security of the way things used to be.

At Attin as a commentary on the SW Fandom Menace is absolutely perfect. Specifically using THIS show to deliver that is even better because those f'ing losers know they can't really pull their usual predictable crap without making it look like they're going after the kids.

The kids are all brilliant, by the way...every one of them.

Your point about the mint being tied to the First Order made me think there definitely could be something there. I remember reading that Skeleton Crew, Mando, Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka all take place in the same timeline - post-Endor/Death Star II, but still like 20 or so years before The Force Awakens. I don't know if it's still the plan, but thought Filoni's upcoming movie would tie most of those series together, showing both Thrawn's return and potentially an outside look at the beginnings of the First Order.

[tifosi77]

Kenobi tells the story of a hero (nay, two heroes) and a Big Bad who can face no serious peril on their journey because it's a prequel story and you already know all of the principal character's endgames. If there is an interesting story in Kenobi, it does not involve the character of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Giving Boba Fett his own show was the non Force-sensitive equivalent of midi-chlorians. It demystified a thing that was drew its strength and charm by being enigmatic. However, I'd watch a 5-6 episode limited series focused on Fennec Shand, she's rad.

Ahsoka was poorly written and plotted, which was not something I expected from Filoni. (Altho I did see that Rory McCann is set to replace Ray Stevenson in Ahsoka S2. Yarp.) It is the only one of the three I'd even be remotely interested in seeing an improved version of.

[nocera]

Kenobi tells the story of a hero (nay, two heroes) and a Big Bad who can face no serious peril on their journey because it's a prequel story and you already know all of the principal character's endgames. If there is an interesting story in Kenobi, it does not involve the character of Obi-Wan Kenobi.

That’s funny. I was reading some reviews of the cut yesterday and the common complaint was Obi Wan wasn’t the focus.

[tifosi77]

At Attin as a commentary on the SW Fandom Menace is absolutely perfect. Specifically using THIS show to deliver that is even better because those f'ing losers know they can't really pull their usual predictable crap without making it look like they're going after the kids.

The kids are all brilliant, by the way...every one of them.

Your point about the mint being tied to the First Order made me think there definitely could be something there. I remember reading that Skeleton Crew, Mando, Book of Boba Fett, and Ahsoka all take place in the same timeline - post-Endor/Death Star II, but still like 20 or so years before The Force Awakens. I don't know if it's still the plan, but thought Filoni's upcoming movie would tie most of those series together, showing both Thrawn's return and potentially an outside look at the beginnings of the First Order.

Forgot to point this out the other day:

I posted earlier that it was a nice reprieve that KB could be shown to have two moms and no one s**t their cage over it. Apparently some of the usual suspects in the Fandom Menace tried to make hay complaining about it ("they just can't help themselves") and got shouted down, the negativity never gathered any traction. So the good guys won one finally.

Ultimately, just make a good show.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Skeleton Crew, the latest live-action Star Wars series on Disney+, has achieved a dubious milestone by failing to chart on any major streaming ratings measurement platform. This puts the show at the bottom of the franchise’s already struggling offerings, earning the unenviable title of the lowest-performing Star Wars project to date.

The series, starring Jude Law and targeting a younger audience with a mix of Stranger Things vibes and Star Wars lore, has been met with overwhelming apathy rather than excitement or outrage.

https://thatparkplace.com/skeleton-crew ... t-ratings/

That's too bad, as it's pretty fun. Tough time of the year for new TV shows though.

[nocera]

And yet it's one of the better shows they've put out. IIRC Andor was also at or near the bottom of the viewership proving once again that Star Wars fans are morons.

[tifosi77]

Andor was the previous lowest viewed SW show on D+. The most-watched movie on the platform is Episode I.

I hate people.

[tifosi77]

Ton of fun, such an unexpected treasure.

The episode was wall-to-wall Space Goonies action. But there are a lot of unanswered questions that remain.

- Space pirates can't shoot any better than Imp Stormtroopers when the story says the heroes must evade the peril.
- I didn't like that they did the fakeout with KB. Again. We just had a ticking clock subplot with her two episodes ago, give the kid a break.
- What happens now that At-Attin has been revealed is an interesting prospect for future storytelling. (Or they could leave it alone)
- Who really is Tak Rennod?

Everyone pretty much had a good payoff, although it did feel a little bit odd that Wim's dad was immediately like "Mmm, food. Now about that standardized testing..." My only real complaint was the "Previously on Skeleton Crew" recap at the beginning of the episode more or less spoiled the arrival of the New Republic by showing Kh'ymm the bird lady. It was easy enough to foresee - they basically foreshadowed the living s**t out of it in Kh'ymm's actual episode - but it still kinda took the wind out of the sails.

Jedi stuff:

Order 66 is the least competent assassination plot ever. We've long since passed the point where there are more named characters who survived than who got snuffed.

"When I was your age, all I cared about was not starving. I was living in a hole in the ground, and a Jedi found me. She may have been desperate, and ragged like me, but she told me I had potential, and that was... well, she only taught me a little before they hunted her down. And they made me watch whilst they killed her."

Desperate.... ragged......... implies someone on the run, not a Jedi of the Order. And he knows the Jedi were hunted. All of that implies he was around 10 years old at some point post-Order 66. It's an interesting timeline thing because Order 66 was 19 BBY, the show is set in 9 BBY - that's 28 years. So, if I'm doing counting numbers right, there's either a glitch in the timeline or Jod is significantly younger than Jude Law. Or, even at that point in the story, Jod was still lying to spin a yarn.

Also..... 'she' is an interesting plot point, because there aren't a lot of known female Jedi who survived Order 66 that weren't made into Inquisitors and who were old enough to be teaching a student. There's one very famous one, but I don't think that's where they're going.

[Gaucho]

Andor was the previous lowest viewed SW show on D+. The most-watched movie on the platform is Episode I.

booo

[NAN]

I watched all of Skelton crew. Fun watch. Like tif said though

Piss poor aim

[nocera]

Yeah that was a fun series. It was nice to just sit back and enjoy a "small" story that doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the larger universe. That stuff is there for people like tif who enjoy diving into the lore but it's not a necessity. This series rediscovered Star Wars' sense of adventure that's been sorely missed lately and I hope it continues to whatever is next. I think it's Andor season 2 so we should be good. After that is the Mando & Grogu movie though so...

[nocera]

How long til this gets cancelled?

[tifosi77]

Mara Jade is another excellent character from the Zahn-i-verse that I would like to see realized in live action. (I actually went into the Sequel Trilogy hoping she'd show up once it was clear the OGs were reuniting) Three are rumors floating about that Zendaya is in talks, which would be cool.

[DigitalGypsy66]

[meow]

sign me the **** up

[nocera]

Can't wait. Absolutely hate that trailer.

[tifosi77]

The trailer is amazing but utterly undone by a truly silly choice of music.

I get that Gilroy-verse SW is more grounded, and that's it's appeal, but using a real existing song as-recorded (e.g. in English).... holy crikey. I got some stick ITT for complaining that Andor Se1 made a little too much use of real-world recognizable places as locations and it sort of dulled the immersion for me in the handful of instances it stood out. This music is no different imo.

The visuals are stellar, and the hints of story beats are sort of chilling. Just.........and oddity of a trailer.