Politics And Current Events

[shafnutz05]

FIRE with a "strongly" worded questionnaire to the government about Mahmoud Khalil.

https://www.thefire.org/news/fire-deman ... oud-khalil

In case anyone was wondering, this is one of the most terrifying actions the US government has taken in recent memory. This is on par with Obama admin killing Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki

Legitimately horrifying. This is pure autocracy, and we have a president that is personally ordering dissident arrests/deportations.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

I had read a bit of debate as to whether the constitutional protections extend to non-citizens (in this case: free speech and due process)

Personally I think that they should but I think there’s precedent that that isn’t true?

[Troy Loney]

I had read a bit of debate as to whether the constitutional protections extend to non-citizens (in this case: free speech and due process)

Personally I think that they should but I think there’s precedent that that isn’t true?

You are saying that it's a debate whether free speech protections should extend to green card holders?

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Yes. For example, if a green card holder openly supports a terrorist organization. I think there’s a valid discussion to be had on if that speech is permissible

[meow]

40,000 people affected?

Probably their entire human user base

[Troy Loney]

Yes. For example, if a green card holder openly supports a terrorist organization. I think there’s a valid discussion to be had on if that speech is permissible

Just to clarify, there are laws against providing "material support" for terrorism. So what exactly do you mean "openly supports a terrorist organization"?

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Are we really gonna be pedantic about “openly support” vs “materially support”?

Hell, I agree with you; I think free speech should fully extend to non-citizens in the same way it extends to citizens…all I’m saying is I understand the argument on the other side


the likely problem in this case is that the govt will need to show proof of that support which they likely won’t have

[MR25]

No one said to deport Rashard Mendenhall (regardless of his citizenship status, which isn't the question here - the question is "support of terrorists") when he said Bin Laden was justified.

This is a gross overstep and it's easy to see how this slippery slope will transpire if Trump's allowed to do this with minimal push back.

[Troy Loney]

Are we really gonna be pedantic about “openly support” vs “materially support”?

Hell, I agree with you; I think free speech should fully extend to non-citizens in the same way it extends to citizens…all I’m saying is I understand the argument on the other side


the likely problem in this case is that the govt will need to show proof of that support which they likely won’t have

The "argument' on the other side is that it's okay for the government to deport a greencard holder for protesting Israel. So clouding that reality with some nonsense about "openly supporting terrorism" is the problem. Because supporting terrorism is actually a crime, conflating what he did (protest genocide) with an actual crime is what provides a lane to support an abhorrent action by the Trump admin.

[count2infinity]

I don't think "openly support" or "materially support" are pedantic in the discussion of freedom of speech, but then again, I don't consider donation of money nor intel nor arms to be freedom of speech.

In any case, this is an interesting read on the matter citing some intriguing court cases:

https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citize ... -amendment

[shafnutz05]

Well, the other issue is any (fully justified) criticism of Israel's turn towards fascism and genocide are immediately portrayed as "pro-Hamas" or "anti-Semitism". The Israeli lobby has done a masterful job.

[Morkle]

This economy is BOOMIN'

[tifosi77]

No one said to deport Rashard Mendenhall (regardless of his citizenship status, which isn't the question here - the question is "support of terrorists") when he said Bin Laden was justified.

This is a gross overstep and it's easy to see how this slippery slope will transpire if Trump's allowed to do this with minimal push back.

This is closer to the bottom of the slide than the top of it imo. The slippery slope began in 2001 with the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act.

I've been seeing Secretary Dog Killer in ads on my TV everyday for the last couple weeks. Thankfully she's on the job.

[shafnutz05]

We were added to the global human rights watchlist, with such dignitaries as the DRC. At least the economy is doing well.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Now the orange goon is hawking Teslas live on the White House grounds. Unreal.

[MR25]

RE: the green card student



So was he breaking a law or not? If he wasn't, how is his deportation justified?

[MR25]

https://bsky.app/profile/epopppp.bsky.s ... 4ldfgs3s26

In a similar but different vein, University of Maine is being targeted because their governor stood up to Trump.

[faftorial]

orange goon

lol

[Morkle]

Strong leadership is going back and forth enacting and reducing tariffs.

[faftorial]

Strong leadership is going back and forth enacting and reducing tariffs.

“Access to cheap goods is not the essence of the American dream.”

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

Snip snap snip snap

[shafnutz05]

Now the orange goon is hawking Teslas live on the White House grounds. Unreal.

Musk owns him. Just a blatantly bought and sold president and none of his idiot supporters can see it.

[AuthorTony]

Man, Trumpers debating between buying a Tesla because Trump says so even though they hate and relentlessly mock EVs is like that "which button should I push" meme.

[Pavel Bure]

Now Trump is targeting the CHIPS Act. Who’s gonna tell him it’s putting thousands of red voters to work?

[Kaiser]

Now Trump is targeting the CHIPS Act. Who’s gonna tell him it’s putting thousands of red voters to work?

Where we're going, we don't need voters.