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Postby grunthy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:37 am

This I think illustrates the fallacy of the “both sides are bad” arguments. There are clearly people drawn to antifa so they can **** ****. up, and are just angry and repressed. Just as there are people with the same internal dynamics joining neo-nazi groups.

But just one of these groups is fully designed around the notion of white supremacy. So while there are obviously bad actors on both sides, the overall orientation of white supremacy should not be validated by both sidesing this.
One is a group designed around attacking people that don’t look like them.

The other is designed around attacking people that don’t think like them.

Both of these nutjob groups are built around violence against others.

Go ahead and keep believing one is better than the other.

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Postby Kaiser » Sun Aug 12, 2018 10:29 am

Why can't Nazis get their day in court?

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:25 pm

So in the latest "wtf" round of fake news:

- A Florida state house candidate forged her college degree, like calligraphy and incorrect signatures and all (the university did not even offer a degree program in the field she claimed she studied there).

- There is already a meme that the guy running the school shooter jihad academy spoke at the 2012 DNC.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:09 pm

This I think illustrates the fallacy of the “both sides are bad” arguments. There are clearly people drawn to antifa so they can **** ****. up, and are just angry and repressed. Just as there are people with the same internal dynamics joining neo-nazi groups.

But just one of these groups is fully designed around the notion of white supremacy. So while there are obviously bad actors on both sides, the overall orientation of white supremacy should not be validated by both sidesing this.
Sure, but why isn't it OK to say both sides are bad? Honestly, the kind of policies and government a lot of those Antifa folks would love to implement are just as scary as the white supremacists. These are the kind of people that legitimately would love to see white genocide... Like the new NYT chick.

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Postby slappybrown » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:25 pm

This I think illustrates the fallacy of the “both sides are bad” arguments. There are clearly people drawn to antifa so they can **** ****. up, and are just angry and repressed. Just as there are people with the same internal dynamics joining neo-nazi groups.

But just one of these groups is fully designed around the notion of white supremacy. So while there are obviously bad actors on both sides, the overall orientation of white supremacy should not be validated by both sidesing this.
Sure, but why isn't it OK to say both sides are bad? Honestly, the kind of policies and government a lot of those Antifa folks would love to implement are just as scary as the white supremacists. These are the kind of people that legitimately would love to see white genocide... Like the new NYT chick.
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Postby shafnutz05 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:32 pm

Some of the more radical Twitter folks constantly talk about how nice it would be if white people got wiped out, "removed from power", etc. These Antifa groups are clearly made up of a radical leftist element. I just don't buy that Antifa's core "mission" is as noble as it is made out to be.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:50 pm

Antifa is short for "anti-fascist" so that means they are not a danger to anyone, only fascists like NBC.

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Postby Troy Loney » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:58 pm

Protesting nazis is good.

Using said protest as cover to enable assault and property destruction is bad. So in that sense, antifa is inherently bad.

But there are no good people on the nazi side, and I know all here have more nuanced takes than president Fox News, but both sidesing this is still bad because white supremacy can’t be allowed such allowances

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Postby NailedPenguin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:08 pm

I have yet to see a single picture or clip of Nazis from this weekend. From every account it's been Antifa vs the Police and media.

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Postby grunthy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:09 pm

Protesting nazis is good.

Using said protest as cover to enable assault and property destruction is bad. So in that sense, antifa is inherently bad.

But there are no good people on the nazi side, and I know all here have more nuanced takes than president Fox News, but both sidesing this is still bad because white supremacy can’t be allowed such allowances


Again they don’t “protest,” and they don’t just target white supremacy. They attack anyone they don’t agree with ideologically.

It’s amazing what people tolerate if it only affects people they don’t agree with.

Antifa is basically political supremacy. Congrats on condoning that.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:15 pm

Suburban white kids putting on ski masks and shouting racial slurs at black police officers to own the supremacists. :thumb:

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Postby Troy Loney » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Protesting nazis is good.

Using said protest as cover to enable assault and property destruction is bad. So in that sense, antifa is inherently bad.

But there are no good people on the nazi side, and I know all here have more nuanced takes than president Fox News, but both sidesing this is still bad because white supremacy can’t be allowed such allowances


Again they don’t “protest,” and they don’t just target white supremacy. They attack anyone they don’t agree with ideologically.

It’s amazing what people tolerate if it only affects people they don’t agree with.

Antifa is basically political supremacy. Congrats on condoning that.
I could try to continue explaining this, but it would waste both of our time

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Postby grunthy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:33 pm

Protesting nazis is good.

Using said protest as cover to enable assault and property destruction is bad. So in that sense, antifa is inherently bad.

But there are no good people on the nazi side, and I know all here have more nuanced takes than president Fox News, but both sidesing this is still bad because white supremacy can’t be allowed such allowances


Again they don’t “protest,” and they don’t just target white supremacy. They attack anyone they don’t agree with ideologically.

It’s amazing what people tolerate if it only affects people they don’t agree with.

Antifa is basically political supremacy. Congrats on condoning that.
I could try to continue explaining this, but it would waste both of our time

No one is saying that Nazis are good.

One advocates for one race through intimidation and violence and the other advocates for one ideology through intimidation and violence. It’s not my fault you condone one over the other. But continue to deflect.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:24 pm

Omarosa just said on Meet the Press that she recorded John Kelly in the Situation Room. (They are playing the tape.)
https://mobile.twitter.com/jdawsey1/sta ... 0565733377

Doubt this was legal.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:28 pm

This is the grand total of the group going into DC with Kessler from VA. Not enough to even half fill a DC train car. A third are journalists, another third are cops. Honestly can’t be more than 20 white nationalists.
https://mobile.twitter.com/thencarolsai ... 9373776897

Worth remembering about this "national crisis".

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:35 pm

So looks like more people can fit on an elevator than we are at this rally.
Maybe 10 Nazis and 200 counter protesters
https://mobile.twitter.com/LVBurke/stat ... 1741260801

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Postby count2infinity » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:52 pm

Good.

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Postby PFiDC » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:44 pm

Good.

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Postby PFiDC » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:44 pm

I'm the "1 nazi is 1 too many" crowd.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:31 pm

Antifa and Secret Service clash in front of the White House

Eggs flying
https://mobile.twitter.com/timkmak/stat ... 1222446080

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Postby grunthy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:50 pm

Damn secret “white supremacy” service.

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Postby tifosi77 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:30 pm

Omarosa just said on Meet the Press that she recorded John Kelly in the Situation Room. (They are playing the tape.)
https://mobile.twitter.com/jdawsey1/sta ... 0565733377

Doubt this was legal.
There's a lot to unpack with this.

1) The Situation Room is a SCIF, how did she get a recording device (presumably her cell phone) inside?
2) If frickin' Omarosa got a recording device into that area, how often is that sort of thing happening in this White House?
3) Why did Kelly feel the need to have this conversation in a SCIF? Are all terminated staffers let go in a classified location?
4) Omarosa has zero credibility: She alternatively claims in the book that someone who heard the audio of Trump saying exactly what everybody with an intact brain stem has no problem believing he said to her about it (the guy she cites as the source for this is refuting the claim), then in interviews says she heard the audio directly and is adamant about that claim being consistent with her account in the book, which it totally is not.

This is most definitely a case of two dopes not making a right.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:01 pm

Antifa making the story about themselves
“No border, no wall, no USA at all”
Protesters now chanting and marching west on I street
https://mobile.twitter.com/PerryStein/s ... 7722507265

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Postby NailedPenguin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:18 pm

Not a Nazi in sight. Antifa Patrol must be working like a charm

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