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Heavy talent, backed with some accomplishment. The idea, as expressed, is that goalies can't just "go play" in a bad situation...so, the most scalable trait is consistent skill...
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Dryden is going to be a difficult analysis. Dude only played like 400 games
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5 Vezinas in effectively 7 years I'd tough to argue against though.
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Well, the Vezina wasn't voted on yet. It was just the best GAA award.
The Habs were unquestionably the best team of that decade at forward AND defense AND likely coaching. The only time we really saw Dryden outside of the Habs was with Team Canada internationally, where he notoriously did not thrive and was often replaced by Tony Esposito, Rogie Vachon, etc.
Dryden was actually scheduled to be replaced in game 2 of the 1979 Stanley Cup Final as well, but Bunny Larocque was hit in the face with a puck in warm up and couldn't play. Dryden proceeded to give up two early goals in that game, but the Habs rallied to beat New York. I wonder if Larocque wins that series, if that takes a bite out of things.
Anyhow...enough of the paper stuff.
Here's where I got to...
Hockey Sense: About even. Both are terrific play readers. They take calculated risks, but their heads are in the game and it shows in their positioning, reads, anticipation of dangerous shooters. Both have high end hockey sense. Effectively, a draw.
Technical skill: I think Tretiak has better form. I think he keeps better posture when moving post to post. I like the direction of his rebounds slightly better. I like his stick positioning slightly better. I also like him to have less holes through him than Dryden in their standup and pad stack save selections. Dryden probably has the better glove. Nod to Tretiak.
Skating: I think this is Tretiak by a decent margin. I think Dryden moves well for his size. But Tretiak is more agile, quicker, and more importantly for this era, better balance. This allows him to stay in flurry situation more aptly and he's less likely to lose his angles on big pushes across the net mouth. Advantage Tretiak.
Compete: Again, Tretiak. Sometimes bigger guys get unfairly labeled as lazy. I don't find Dryden lazy. I just think the second-shot competitiveness and the battle belongs to Tretiak by a decent gap.
Floor/Ceiling: More or less a wash. Dryden slightly higher floor, slightly lower ceiling. Tretiak slightly lower floor, slightly higher ceiling. Both have higher floor and ceilings than most goalies I'm finding of this era.
My only question is does Tretiak do enough for me to make my "A" list...Dryden doesn't. I think he's going to be comfortably on my "B" list. Tretiak is on my A/B fence right now.
The Habs were unquestionably the best team of that decade at forward AND defense AND likely coaching. The only time we really saw Dryden outside of the Habs was with Team Canada internationally, where he notoriously did not thrive and was often replaced by Tony Esposito, Rogie Vachon, etc.
Dryden was actually scheduled to be replaced in game 2 of the 1979 Stanley Cup Final as well, but Bunny Larocque was hit in the face with a puck in warm up and couldn't play. Dryden proceeded to give up two early goals in that game, but the Habs rallied to beat New York. I wonder if Larocque wins that series, if that takes a bite out of things.
Anyhow...enough of the paper stuff.
Here's where I got to...
Hockey Sense: About even. Both are terrific play readers. They take calculated risks, but their heads are in the game and it shows in their positioning, reads, anticipation of dangerous shooters. Both have high end hockey sense. Effectively, a draw.
Technical skill: I think Tretiak has better form. I think he keeps better posture when moving post to post. I like the direction of his rebounds slightly better. I like his stick positioning slightly better. I also like him to have less holes through him than Dryden in their standup and pad stack save selections. Dryden probably has the better glove. Nod to Tretiak.
Skating: I think this is Tretiak by a decent margin. I think Dryden moves well for his size. But Tretiak is more agile, quicker, and more importantly for this era, better balance. This allows him to stay in flurry situation more aptly and he's less likely to lose his angles on big pushes across the net mouth. Advantage Tretiak.
Compete: Again, Tretiak. Sometimes bigger guys get unfairly labeled as lazy. I don't find Dryden lazy. I just think the second-shot competitiveness and the battle belongs to Tretiak by a decent gap.
Floor/Ceiling: More or less a wash. Dryden slightly higher floor, slightly lower ceiling. Tretiak slightly lower floor, slightly higher ceiling. Both have higher floor and ceilings than most goalies I'm finding of this era.
My only question is does Tretiak do enough for me to make my "A" list...Dryden doesn't. I think he's going to be comfortably on my "B" list. Tretiak is on my A/B fence right now.
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For Tretiak, G? You like him a lot?
Also, I was at the Armory yesterday...which is an art fair of some prominence (though, sliding). And I came across a West German artist (Rob Ober) whose gallery (Shine) was showing his new goalies series...there's a lot of Tretiak and Myshkin in there...they were setup right next to my wife's gallery's booth, so naturally I struck up a conversation with the gallerist about the work (and taught him a few things about the subject matter).
https://www.instagram.com/rob.ober/
You may or may not find that mildly interesting...
Also, I was at the Armory yesterday...which is an art fair of some prominence (though, sliding). And I came across a West German artist (Rob Ober) whose gallery (Shine) was showing his new goalies series...there's a lot of Tretiak and Myshkin in there...they were setup right next to my wife's gallery's booth, so naturally I struck up a conversation with the gallerist about the work (and taught him a few things about the subject matter).
https://www.instagram.com/rob.ober/
You may or may not find that mildly interesting...
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All I know is that prime Tretiak left a huge impression on young G.
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https://www.instagram.com/rob.ober/ certainly is something
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No Vanbiesbrouck? He may be a pos...but if you have Richter, I feel like you have to also consider Vanbiesbrouck?
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Yeah, Vanbiesbrouck is a name that should be here. Not sure why I didn't write him down yet. He'll probably be above Richter.
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Im not an artist so maybe I just don’t get it but my 7 year old draws better goalies
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Somehow this story gets even sadder.
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I didn’t need to know that
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Geeze.
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Yes, sad that the child will never meet their father but he leaves behind one more child that his wife will love because they will be a part of both of them.
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COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) – The man accused of killing Columbus Blue Jackets forward Johnny Gaudreau and his brother last week in a suspected drunk driving incident worked at a drug and alcohol treatment center.
Gaudenzia, a nonprofit drug and alcohol treatment and recovery center whose corporate headquarters is in Norristown, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia, confirmed that Sean Higgins is an employee at the facility.
Gaudenzia, a nonprofit drug and alcohol treatment and recovery center whose corporate headquarters is in Norristown, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia, confirmed that Sean Higgins is an employee at the facility.
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Update: Tony Esposito is not good. His butterfly is cultural appropriation. He didn't add anything to it. He just watched the previous Blackhawks goalie and tried to do that but he had very little technique. No wonder he lost 18 of 19 playoff games in his prime...
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I don't hate this overall. Small adjustments here and there, but no one is moving more than one category plus or minus.
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What do you hate the most?
Bernie Parent and, I think, Chico Resch are gonna make the list it seems...not sure exactly where. Probably in the C's somewhere.
Bernie Parent and, I think, Chico Resch are gonna make the list it seems...not sure exactly where. Probably in the C's somewhere.