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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:08 pm

So this is the first real money deal of this little flat cap blip we're in...we'll see if it's the trendsetter for these type of deals...
Really makes me wonder what the team’s money situation is like. Getting $5.1MM in salary off the books was obviously the priority given that a buyout would have been more cap friendly.

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Postby Jim » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:10 pm

Guerin pimp slaps Rutherford again.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:14 pm

So this is the first real money deal of this little flat cap blip we're in...we'll see if it's the trendsetter for these type of deals...
Really makes me wonder what the team’s money situation is like. Getting $5.1MM in salary off the books was obviously the priority given that a buyout would have been more cap friendly.
Pretty sure they're on the hook for half of that 5.1

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Postby Beveridge » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:17 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong.

A buyout would have put a cap hit of 1.75 on the books for this coming season and next.

How does this trade retaining half for one season make it worse than buying out?

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:18 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong.

A buyout would have put a cap hit of 1.75 on the books for this coming season and next.

How does this trade retaining half for one season make it worse than buying out?
Someone on HF boards said this saves about 875k in real money

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:19 pm


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Postby mikey » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:24 pm

70 games?!?!?! Wow, so we just gave him away for real for real...not that I have a problem with that...

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Postby mikey » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:40 pm

Guerin pimp slaps Rutherford again.
By getting free cap space back for us...?

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:48 pm

So this is the first real money deal of this little flat cap blip we're in...we'll see if it's the trendsetter for these type of deals...
Really makes me wonder what the team’s money situation is like. Getting $5.1MM in salary off the books was obviously the priority given that a buyout would have been more cap friendly.
Pretty sure they're on the hook for half of that 5.1
That makes it even worse.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:53 pm

Saw an article saying he wants to shed money for free agency. That's terrifying

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Postby faftorial » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:56 pm

50%? Holy **** Jim. Did you fat finger 20% typing up the email to the league?
I also saw that he is due $5M in actual salary this year. Creating dead cap space to reduce costs?

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Postby mikey » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:57 pm

I don't think you can feel too strongly about this unless somehow you love Bjugstad and thought he would rebound. There was no real use or place for him here...even when he played he was a zero...he's a big guy with back problems...so he either wasn't gonna play, was gonna get bought out, or was gonna cost an asset to move in-season...

Instead, we got $2 mil in cap space and more than that in real cash and a potential late round pick just in case he somehow does something he probably hasn't done in years...play.

Little more dead cap this year by a small amount, no dead cap next year as Beveridge has been pointing out...flat cap scenario, a team that needed some breathing room...

If anything, GMJR used political capital to make this happen and that's the worst part of it...and I'm not even convinced of that, as I think Jugs was Guerin's idea here...

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Postby Gaucho » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:36 am

yup

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Postby Beveridge » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:32 am

This is the way I look at it. If I'm another GM, I'm not trading anything of value for a guy who's cap his is 4+, hasn't had a healthy season in several years, while my cap remains flat. Heck, I'm not even going to give anything of value for half of that.

So if you're Rutherford, you have 4 options.

1. Keep him and his 4+ cap hit.
2. Bury him for the season and only save 1+.
3. Buy him out and have 1.75 dead cap this year and next
4. Trade at maximum retain and have 2+ dead cap this year

So unless you want to gamble he'll be on LTIR before the season even begins to hide the entire cap, this is probably the best option when you're looking at the next 2 years. And at this point in time, the "window" isn't much more than that.

If anything, this is Billy G doing us a favor.

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Postby Gaucho » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:47 am

exactly

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Postby meow » Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:48 am

Guys. You’re looking at this all wrong. The LTIR was the best choice. Simple. On the first day of camp, have a masked individual - of which we have no shortage of now - hit him in the back with a tire iron. Boom. Problem solved.

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Postby willeyeam » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:36 am

Guys. You’re looking at this all wrong. The LTIR was the best choice. Simple. On the first day of camp, have a masked individual - of which we have no shortage of now - hit him in the back with a tire iron. Boom. Problem solved.
Tire iron? Just give him a pair of skates and that should do it

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Postby Trip McNeely » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:39 am

Guys. You’re looking at this all wrong. The LTIR was the best choice. Simple. On the first day of camp, have a masked individual - of which we have no shortage of now - hit him in the back with a tire iron. Boom. Problem solved.
Tire iron? Just give him a pair of skates and that should do it
First bump of a check during practice: LTIR

But being serious, I don’t think many teams, especially smaller market teams like the Pens are going to use that LTIR space often this year. It’s real money and that’s as important as the cap now.

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Postby Gaucho » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:22 am

Selke voting
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Adams voting
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Postby mikey » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:44 am

Looks conceivable that one of our local guys went: [player]-[player]-Tanev-Blugers-ZAR

Also, 1st place vote for Auston Matthews should get your card revoked...

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:33 pm

But I was told all those fancy numbers say ZAR is one of the greatest defensive forwards in the league. Why he at 25???

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Postby MR25 » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:42 pm

Because it's an award voted on by the media and has no statistical basis?

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Postby mikey » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:55 pm

Some folks definitely went with some of the questionable defensive metrics out there...that's why Val Nichushkin ended up as the #2 winger in Selke voting, for instance...

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Postby King Colby » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:27 pm

If you voted for Blueger Tanev ZAR you should lose your voting privileges.

Not saying they're not good defensive forwards, but JFC you are an embarrassment.

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Postby Trip McNeely » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:06 pm

Lol am I seeing Malkin on the Selke vote but not Sid?? Now that’s funny

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