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Who the **** is that? Are we supposed to care about random blue check marks again?
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A blessed twitter account
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Ah I see. Just a ****** that gets dumb liberals riled up.
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KW Miller seems to refer to himself as KW Miller a lot.
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Robert Mueller: Roger Stone remains a convicted felon, and rightly so
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Makes kenny the kangaroo want to relocate to Florida and voter for this m ferKW Miller seems to refer to himself as KW Miller a lot.
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This whole thing would be too stupid for idiocracy. The press and his campaign is lauding him profusely because they know if he gets good coverage for wearing a mask, he’ll keep doing it.
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It’s almost as if a certain segment of the population eat up every damn word he speaks and his words/actions matter a little bit. Weird.
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Thanks for doing the bare minium four months and 100,000 deaths later you absolute waste of a human.This is good
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Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
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Serious question - Is there any evidence that those patients lead to more cases/deaths? These are nursing home patients that contracted covid and were sent to the hospital, so covid was already rampant in their care facility. I'm just wondering if there's any proof that their return after "recovering" actually led to more cases.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
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https://www.propublica.org/article/fire ... ding-to-itSerious question - Is there any evidence that those patients lead to more cases/deaths? These are nursing home patients that contracted covid and were sent to the hospital, so covid was already rampant in their care facility. I'm just wondering if there's any proof that their return after "recovering" actually led to more cases.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
States that issued orders similar to Cuomo’s recorded comparably grim outcomes. Michigan lost 5% of roughly 38,000 nursing home residents to COVID-19 since the outbreak began. New Jersey lost 12% of its more than 43,000 residents.
In Florida, where such transfers were barred, just 1.6% of 73,000 nursing home residents died of the virus. California, after initially moving toward a policy like New York’s, quickly revised it. So far, it has lost 2% of its 103,000 nursing home residents.
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Not to dismiss how terrible tragic this was, but we are six months into trying to address the pandemic and there are 60k+ cases a day because of active spread. Is there any rational basis for denying that widespread facial coverings would have kept this disaster from the current trajectory.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
Seems like a complete non sequitor to me
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We've been over the nursing home thing. Cbear covered it
Everybody agrees with nobody that a COVID+ person shouldn't be sent into a LTCF.
But to beat up people that allowed or mandated that to happen is to ignore some reality when focusing on the effects of doing so:
A person in a LTCF gets sick. They go to the hospital and get tested. Now, they're either sick enough they need to stay and rehab or they aren't admitted and go back to the LTCF.
First, they got the virus in the LTCF, so it was already there and being passed around when their symptoms got bad enough to warrant testing.
Second, if they came to the hospital and weren't admitted, then their condition didn't medically call for it and they didn't receive results for days anyways. So you're supposed to use a hospital bed for days waiting on results, for a possible COVID+ patient, who's symptoms didn't necessitate an admit?
Third, if they were admitted, there was enough demand for hospital beds to try to turn people around as soon possible. So once they no longer need hospital level services, they were discharged to where they came from. In many cases that would have been the LTCF where they contracted the virus originally so it's not a reintroduction.
Is there a situation where a patient living at home successfully, contracts COVID and goes to the hospital, and is discharged into a non-hospice LTCF? If such a situation exists I have a hard time imagining its statistically significant.
So yes, admitting a COVID+ patient into a LTCF is a bad idea. Any new admit should have been denied with a positive test. But the effect of patients returning while possibly not having fully shed the virus is likely to be a drop in the ocean in terms of the viral load present at that facility.
Finally, I'd wager 98% of those people are on Medicare. There are very exact allowances for stays, billing, etc. for hospital care on Medicare. That's all run by Fedgov. If we're going to play perfect hindsight, Medicare could have absolutely changed their billing practices to provide an incentive to keep elderly COVID patients at the hospital longer to promote complete recovery (which could require frequent testing, at a time tests were not abundant). They had already stopped paying for "elective" procedures to free up hospital space, alterations in allowable billing weren't a hurdle.
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I know more people died in those states but the outbreaks were also much higher in those states as well. People in nursing homes were getting COVID there, then sent to the hospital, then returned after "recovering." I'm not saying it didn't happen, just that I haven't seen the numbers.
That article has a snippet:
I think it was a terrible call either way, just looking for numbers outside of the soundbites.
That article has a snippet:
That's where I'm coming from. These nursing homes already had COVID inside their facilities. We all know incubation can be 2 weeks from first exposure so the explosion of deaths/new cases could certainly have been brewing for weeks prior to the infected patients being returned to the facility.Three days after Diamond Hill was informed of its first case, six other residents tested positive, suggesting the virus had been present at the home for days, maybe weeks. The resident with COVID-19 who was returned to the home might have provided more fuel for the virus’s spread.
I think it was a terrible call either way, just looking for numbers outside of the soundbites.
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I believe Florida immediately transfers their LTCF people out if it starts having an outbreak. They bar transferring positive patients.We've been over the nursing home thing. Cbear covered it
Everybody agrees with nobody that a COVID+ person shouldn't be sent into a LTCF.
But to beat up people that allowed or mandated that to happen is to ignore some reality when focusing on the effects of doing so:
A person in a LTCF gets sick. They go to the hospital and get tested. Now, they're either sick enough they need to stay and rehab or they aren't admitted and go back to the LTCF.
First, they got the virus in the LTCF, so it was already there and being passed around when their symptoms got bad enough to warrant testing.
Second, if they came to the hospital and weren't admitted, then their condition didn't medically call for it and they didn't receive results for days anyways. So you're supposed to use a hospital bed for days waiting on results, for a possible COVID+ patient, who's symptoms didn't necessitate an admit?
Third, if they were admitted, there was enough demand for hospital beds to try to turn people around as soon possible. So once they no longer need hospital level services, they were discharged to where they came from. In many cases that would have been the LTCF where they contracted the virus originally so it's not a reintroduction.
Is there a situation where a patient living at home successfully, contracts COVID and goes to the hospital, and is discharged into a non-hospice LTCF? If such a situation exists I have a hard time imagining its statistically significant.
So yes, admitting a COVID+ patient into a LTCF is a bad idea. Any new admit should have been denied with a positive test. But the effect of patients returning while possibly not having fully shed the virus is likely to be a drop in the ocean in terms of the viral load present at that facility.
Finally, I'd wager 98% of those people are on Medicare. There are very exact allowances for stays, billing, etc. for hospital care on Medicare. That's all run by Fedgov. If we're going to play perfect hindsight, Medicare could have absolutely changed their billing practices to provide an incentive to keep elderly COVID patients at the hospital longer to promote complete recovery (which could require frequent testing, at a time tests were not abundant). They had already stopped paying for "elective" procedures to free up hospital space, alterations in allowable billing weren't a hurdle.
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Is there any rational to denying that some policies by NY, NJ, MI, MA, PA, and such exacerbated the situation and killed thousands if not tens of thousands more than should have died?Not to dismiss how terrible tragic this was, but we are six months into trying to address the pandemic and there are 60k+ cases a day because of active spread. Is there any rational basis for denying that widespread facial coverings would have kept this disaster from the current trajectory.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
Seems like a complete non sequitor to me
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Always. The. Same. Always.Is there any rational to denying that some policies by NY, NJ, MI, MA, PA, and such exacerbated the situation and killed thousands if not tens of thousands more than should have died?Not to dismiss how terrible tragic this was, but we are six months into trying to address the pandemic and there are 60k+ cases a day because of active spread. Is there any rational basis for denying that widespread facial coverings would have kept this disaster from the current trajectory.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
Seems like a complete non sequitor to me
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Yeah. You are a broken record.Always. The. Same. Always.Is there any rational to denying that some policies by NY, NJ, MI, MA, PA, and such exacerbated the situation and killed thousands if not tens of thousands more than should have died?Not to dismiss how terrible tragic this was, but we are six months into trying to address the pandemic and there are 60k+ cases a day because of active spread. Is there any rational basis for denying that widespread facial coverings would have kept this disaster from the current trajectory.Yep he sure is responsible for the four states that sent covid infected people to nursing homes...
Seems like a complete non sequitor to me
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When grunts reaches the “I know you are, but what am I?” part of his argument everyone should just walk away.
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When grunts reaches the “I know you are, but what am I?” part of his argument everyone should just walk away.
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I didn't start antagonizing anyone. So not sure why I am singled out...When grunts reaches the “I know you are, but what am I?” part of his argument everyone should just walk away.
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