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This is from a couple of years ago, but it's some crazy-arse sht.
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Paul Allen's company found U.S.S. Hornet in the Solomon Islands: https://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/69386409 ... ific-ocean
A survivor was notified of the location and watched them explore it live. He told them to get the $40 he left in his locker!
A survivor was notified of the location and watched them explore it live. He told them to get the $40 he left in his locker!
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Paul Allen is a great man.
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Paul Allen the idea lives on.
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It's like Batman
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Neato.
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Moved here from the Movie thread because I get all nerdy in my reply...
One of the best parts about moving back to LA is that I again have easy access to the Planes of Fame airshow in Chino. Warbirds galore, tons of vets sharing their experiences, such a great event.
Now, tread lightly.......
This popped up on my Facebook last night on one of the military aviation sites I follow. It is nothing short of a crime against humanity and a travesty of galactic proportions.tifosi77
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26 ... production
I find it hard to believe that the Navy or Air Force doesn't have a fully functional F-14 hanging around somewhere for publicity shots etc. That's a shame about these expensive jets, is that private collectors can't afford to keep them airworthy like Mustangs, Spitfires, and other old warbirds.In the photos, the Tomcat is also packing an AIM-9 Sidewinder with orange bands, indicating it is a live round. This is certainly for the purposes of filming. The USS Theodore Roosevelt is rumored to be used for the movie's production, so that is likely the carrier we are seeing the Tomcat on. There is a chance that it will set sail with it onboard, which would indicate extensive shooting of the Tomcat while at sea.
Also, keep in mind that this is not a flying aircraft. It is being used as a static prop for ground footage. There are no flying Tomcats anywhere in the world aside from in Iran. The Navy retired the type in 2006 and most were either chopped up or demilitarized and sent to museums. Getting one flying for the movie would be very costly and nearly impossible due to red tape surrounding the Tomcat's sensitive export controls due to their continued use by Iran. There are plenty of other issues as well.
Now, tread lightly.......
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I almost originally posted the article here, but I thought some movie fans wanted to know about it.
In 30 years I want to see a Warthog at an airshow.
In 30 years I want to see a Warthog at an airshow.
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In 30 years, Hogs might still be in active service.
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I stumbled across a couple of interesting articles on combat photography and subsequent controversy in regards to the subjects or myths behind the photos. Even the famous V-J day Times Square kissing photo was controversial, as multiple people wanted to take credit for being in the photo (the confirmed sailor passed away a day or so ago).
The first are Robert Capa's famous D-Day photos. You are probably familiar with the blurry photo of the 1st ID soldier wading onto Omaha Beach and how Capa supposedly rushed back to England to get the pictures sent to Life magazine in the U.S. and how the film was left too long under a drying lamp and melted, and a dedicated photo editor saved a handful of pictures from multiple rolls of film. The author of the article - a veteran and expert photographer - called BS on the whole story. Capa basically took only the 11 or so pictures on the beach and wanted to get back to London ASAP to get the first pictures from D-Day to press. The author does some exceptional forensic work matching other famous newsreel films to where Capa's photos were taken on Easy Red beach, and even a few movie frames where Capa is filmed heading back to England (he holds the clapboard for a Coast Guard film unit in fact). Really good read: https://petapixel.com/2019/02/16/debunk ... -on-d-day/
The other article covers the Vietnam war, specifically a photograph during the battle of Hue. Mark Bowden wrote an exceptional book on the Hue battle a couple of years ago, and he focused on the famous photograph of wounded Marines on the back of a tank being evacuated. He identified the wounded Marine with the help of the original photographer, even though that wounded Marine had been identified by People magazine back in the 1980s. Another photographer was near by, and photographed the wounded Marine receiving care prior to the famous picture being taken. Really cool stuff.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arine.html
Sorry for the dissertation on here this morning.
The first are Robert Capa's famous D-Day photos. You are probably familiar with the blurry photo of the 1st ID soldier wading onto Omaha Beach and how Capa supposedly rushed back to England to get the pictures sent to Life magazine in the U.S. and how the film was left too long under a drying lamp and melted, and a dedicated photo editor saved a handful of pictures from multiple rolls of film. The author of the article - a veteran and expert photographer - called BS on the whole story. Capa basically took only the 11 or so pictures on the beach and wanted to get back to London ASAP to get the first pictures from D-Day to press. The author does some exceptional forensic work matching other famous newsreel films to where Capa's photos were taken on Easy Red beach, and even a few movie frames where Capa is filmed heading back to England (he holds the clapboard for a Coast Guard film unit in fact). Really good read: https://petapixel.com/2019/02/16/debunk ... -on-d-day/
The other article covers the Vietnam war, specifically a photograph during the battle of Hue. Mark Bowden wrote an exceptional book on the Hue battle a couple of years ago, and he focused on the famous photograph of wounded Marines on the back of a tank being evacuated. He identified the wounded Marine with the help of the original photographer, even though that wounded Marine had been identified by People magazine back in the 1980s. Another photographer was near by, and photographed the wounded Marine receiving care prior to the famous picture being taken. Really cool stuff.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... arine.html
Sorry for the dissertation on here this morning.
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I have work I really need to do, but man what a riveting read.
The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.
The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.
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The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.
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No need to apologize, this is a great post!! Thanks DG.
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The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.
As vets, I wanted to make sure you both got tagged here.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Hue is the first place I've ever visited that was a battlefield for American forces on foreign soil in relatively recent history. And I'd be lying if it didn't really impact me in a significant manner. (Like I said last year, it's a good thing we watched the Ken Burns documentary after we went.) Seeing the scars of combat on the structures - particularly at the Citadel, which was largely un-repaired - focuses your mind on what it must have been like trading fire in the middle of a large city, in and around the civilian population. To have sent teenagers off to that crucible to do violence in the name of our country, and to then be so callous towards them upon their return.... regardless of your political leanings or thoughts about the war itself, very few people covered themselves in glory in the 1960s.
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Well said.The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.As vets, I wanted to make sure you both got tagged here.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Hue is the first place I've ever visited that was a battlefield for American forces on foreign soil in relatively recent history. And I'd be lying if it didn't really impact me in a significant manner. (Like I said last year, it's a good thing we watched the Ken Burns documentary after we went.) Seeing the scars of combat on the structures - particularly at the Citadel, which was largely un-repaired - focuses your mind on what it must have been like trading fire in the middle of a large city, in and around the civilian population. To have sent teenagers off to that crucible to do violence in the name of our country, and to then be so callous towards them upon their return.... regardless of your political leanings or thoughts about the war itself, very few people covered themselves in glory in the 1960s.
Nelson Demille's "Word of Honor" is an entertaining read in which Hue is one of the focal points of the story. Demille pulls from his own experiences in Vietnam as a 1LT.
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What what what...?! Capa's story is one of the most famous in all of combat journalism. next you're going to try telling me he didn't die by stepping on a landmine in Vietnam. Pft.The first are Robert Capa's famous D-Day photos. You are probably familiar with the blurry photo of the 1st ID soldier wading onto Omaha Beach and how Capa supposedly rushed back to England to get the pictures sent to Life magazine in the U.S. and how the film was left too long under a drying lamp and melted, and a dedicated photo editor saved a handful of pictures from multiple rolls of film. The author of the article - a veteran and expert photographer - called BS on the whole story. Capa basically took only the 11 or so pictures on the beach and wanted to get back to London ASAP to get the first pictures from D-Day to press. The author does some exceptional forensic work matching other famous newsreel films to where Capa's photos were taken on Easy Red beach, and even a few movie frames where Capa is filmed heading back to England (he holds the clapboard for a Coast Guard film unit in fact). Really good read: https://petapixel.com/2019/02/16/debunk ... -on-d-day/
Seriously, though, some incredible images. The basis for the visual style of Saving Private Ryan; removing lens filters, turning shutters 90° to the aperture, etc.
The only Bowden book I've read was Black Hawk Down, which was excellent. Was unaware of this tome, so I think I have some shopping to do.The other article covers the Vietnam war, specifically a photograph during the battle of Hue. Mark Bowden wrote an exceptional book on the Hue battle a couple of years ago, and he focused on the famous photograph of wounded Marines on the back of a tank being evacuated.
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Yeah, it's really good. Even with the photo mis-caption (which he notes in the afterword of the paperback edition).
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Ditto to you both.Well said.The way Vietnam Vets were treated in the 60's and 70's remains a national shame.As vets, I wanted to make sure you both got tagged here.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Hue is the first place I've ever visited that was a battlefield for American forces on foreign soil in relatively recent history. And I'd be lying if it didn't really impact me in a significant manner. (Like I said last year, it's a good thing we watched the Ken Burns documentary after we went.) Seeing the scars of combat on the structures - particularly at the Citadel, which was largely un-repaired - focuses your mind on what it must have been like trading fire in the middle of a large city, in and around the civilian population. To have sent teenagers off to that crucible to do violence in the name of our country, and to then be so callous towards them upon their return.... regardless of your political leanings or thoughts about the war itself, very few people covered themselves in glory in the 1960s.
Nelson Demille's "Word of Honor" is an entertaining read in which Hue is one of the focal points of the story. Demille pulls from his own experiences in Vietnam as a 1LT.
Hue is just an insane battle to contemplate. Reading about Vietnam is what moved me to turn against Iraq/Afghanistan and become generally isolationist in foreign policy. Such a waste.
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Going to Iraq/Afghan is what turned me isolationist.
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Thankfully I got out before Iraq, and even Afghanistan became a big thing.
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I took a 16-week course on the history of the war in college, and between that the Burns thing, the inescapable conclusion I've come to is summed up by the word "avoidable".Hue is just an insane battle to contemplate. Reading about Vietnam is what moved me to turn against Iraq/Afghanistan and become generally isolationist in foreign policy. Such a waste.
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I'm not sure a more useless war has ever been fought.
At least an argument, even from just basic "Son protecting Father", could be made for Iraq.
Vietnam served no purpose. At all.
At least an argument, even from just basic "Son protecting Father", could be made for Iraq.
Vietnam served no purpose. At all.
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The Red Menace had to be stopped at all costs, I guess. Hindsight is 20/20, but there was a real fear of a Communist domino effect.
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There was also a bit of a French push to help out that got us sucked at the end of the Eisenhower administration.
As a bit of alternative history I bet with no Vietnam we get involved in the Congo and end up saving(?) Rhodesia.
As a bit of alternative history I bet with no Vietnam we get involved in the Congo and end up saving(?) Rhodesia.
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