2024 Summer Olympic Randomness

[nocera]

The IOC should not have less stringent testing standards than the sport governing body.

Yes that’s the controversy. Not whether or not she’s a “dude.”

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

why not? the sport governing body could have overly testing standards

[count2infinity]

Does anyone have details on what the IBA or IOC actually test? I couldn't find a checklist quickly for either.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

in other news, race walking continues to be the dumbest alleged “””sport””” in history

it’s just people kind of jogging but not really because they have to pretend that they’re walking

[count2infinity]

[Dickie Dunn]

Does anyone have details on what the IBA or IOC actually test? I couldn't find a checklist quickly for either.

The IBA and IOC have kept the testing specifics confidential, but the IBA has a restriction on female boxers with XY chromosomes and the IOC currently does not. Khelif and another female boxer (Lin Yu-ting) have a publicly disclosed Differences of Sexual Development disorder called Swyer syndrome where they are biologically female and have fully functioning lady parts, but have masculine features, elevated testosterone, and XY chromosomes.

I don't know what the right answer is. It is definitely an elevated risk for their competition, but for all intents and purposes they are biologically women. Mike Tyson was an elevated risk for all of his competitors as well.

[Sam's Drunk Dog]

in other news, race walking continues to be the dumbest alleged “””sport””” in history

it’s just people kind of jogging but not really because they have to pretend that they’re walking

The "walking" reminds me of what I do when I really need to use the bathroom in a public space but I have to walk a long way to get there. You don't want to run so just walk as fast as you can.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

also a semi-interesting story in table tennis. The men’s world #1 player lost in the round of 32 (after winning the mixed doubles gold a few days ago). Apparently some photographers ran into him and broke his paddle before the singles match that he lost. He doesn’t say that’s why he lost but I could see that being a factor (he ended up using a backup paddle): https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/oly ... 89021.html


#2 seed is in a good match right now against the #6 Japanese seed. Otherwise the semis are tomorrow and the finals are Sunday morning

[LITT]

is the back up paddle different than the main paddle?

[MR25]

Does anyone have details on what the IBA or IOC actually test? I couldn't find a checklist quickly for either.

The IBA and IOC have kept the testing specifics confidential, but the IBA has a restriction on female boxers with XY chromosomes and the IOC currently does not. Khelif and another female boxer (Lin Yu-ting) have a publicly disclosed Differences of Sexual Development disorder called Swyer syndrome where they are biologically female and have fully functioning lady parts, but have masculine features, elevated testosterone, and XY chromosomes.

I don't know what the right answer is. It is definitely an elevated risk for their competition, but for all intents and purposes they are biologically women. Mike Tyson was an elevated risk for all of his competitors as well.

The IOC also does not officially recognize the IBA due to financial impropriety, referee and judge selection process issues, and lack of remedy when the IOC brought forth the issues.

If not rectified, this may be the last Olympics with boxing, as it's not currently on the schedule for 2028.

All that being said, if the IOC has issues with the IBA, perhaps the IBA's testing was also incorrect? You'd think the IOC would test the athletes prior and if this boxer made it into the games, then it stands to reason she passed all of their tests.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

oh man. A Georgian dude just blew the gold medal in judo because he fell down intentionally, got a penalty and got disqualified (since it was his third penalty). He was leading with only 8 seconds left and was trying to cook the clock


That’s brutal but also wtf are you doing

[mac5155]

is the back up paddle different than the main paddle?

Clearly not a Flexolite ping pong paddle.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

I’m guessing they’re the same but that he might’ve had a superstition with his original paddle


This match right now is really good

[Dickie Dunn]

Does anyone have details on what the IBA or IOC actually test? I couldn't find a checklist quickly for either.

The IBA and IOC have kept the testing specifics confidential, but the IBA has a restriction on female boxers with XY chromosomes and the IOC currently does not. Khelif and another female boxer (Lin Yu-ting) have a publicly disclosed Differences of Sexual Development disorder called Swyer syndrome where they are biologically female and have fully functioning lady parts, but have masculine features, elevated testosterone, and XY chromosomes.

I don't know what the right answer is. It is definitely an elevated risk for their competition, but for all intents and purposes they are biologically women. Mike Tyson was an elevated risk for all of his competitors as well.

The IOC also does not officially recognize the IBA due to financial impropriety, referee and judge selection process issues, and lack of remedy when the IOC brought forth the issues.

If not rectified, this may be the last Olympics with boxing, as it's not currently on the schedule for 2028.

All that being said, if the IOC has issues with the IBA, perhaps the IBA's testing was also incorrect? You'd think the IOC would test the athletes prior and if this boxer made it into the games, then it stands to reason she passed all of their tests.

Yea I started digging into this more. At this point the IBA is Russian controlled by a Putin crony, has a single sponsor (Gazprom), and the 2023 event where these bans originally occurred were boycotted by 19 federations because the IBA allowed Russian and Belarusian boxers to participate.

From what I've been able to gather, the IOC tests for testosterone and both boxers in question passed. The IBA decided to implement their confidential gender tests, the results of which haven't actually been made public due to "medical privacy", and banned them as a result.

The other side to this is the actual competition and sport of boxing. By all accounts and records I could find, Lin Yu-ting is a pretty good boxer who has improved since her loss in the round of 16 at the 2020 Olympics. On the other hand Imane Khelif, who had the displeasure of being the first of the two boxers in question to compete and be a lightning rod for stupidity, is not a very good or accomplished boxer. Her best results have occurred in tournaments with large boycotts or weight class expansions that thinned the competition. She competed in the 2020 Olympics and got her ass kicked in the quarterfinals by the eventually gold medal winner. Similarly, Angela Carini also competed at the 2020 Olympics and lost in her first fight. Regardless, both boxers whose gender identities are being questioned (and moronic conservatives are branding as being transgender) have routinely lost to other women in boxing competitions.

It's impossible to find a video of the fight in question that isn't associated with an idiotic Twitter handle, but see it for yourself:



Carini sucks. She got bopped on the nose and decided to quit.

[nocera]

A boxer getting punched once in the face, not going down, and then being like "you know what, that's it for me" is hilarious.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

“no mas”

[count2infinity]

So what’s the deal with the woman boxer getting knocked out by a dude 46 seconds in

Now that I’ve seen the clip and looked into her background, every part of this post is wrong.

[nocera]

So what’s the deal with the woman boxer getting knocked out by a dude 46 seconds in

Now that I’ve seen the clip and looked into her background, every part of this post is wrong.

I just realized that a few conservative FB friends posted about this, and it's all over r/conservative. So desperate for a reason to hate trans people that they're hating biological women now.

[count2infinity]

I don’t even know if she is a biological woman or not. But there’s certainly not solid proof to say she’s a biological male.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Yeah, I think this is great evidence towards gender being a spectrum. The concept of “biological x” doesn’t work because of how many nuances there are in both physical organs, genes and a person’s psychology


my favorite part about this is how conservatives get to LARP as feminists but then will go on about how women love killing babies

[nocera]

Biles is in third place after two rotations. Should be an interesting final two events.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

honestly more upsetting to me is finding out that they give two bronzes for each weight class in judo (and other combat sports I think?) due to a system called repechage




I don’t like this at all. Why won’t they just have one more match to see who actually gets the bronze? two bronzes is illogical

[Dickie Dunn]

So what’s the deal with the woman boxer getting knocked out by a dude 46 seconds in

Now that I’ve seen the clip and looked into her background, every part of this post is wrong.

I just realized that a few conservative FB friends posted about this, and it's all over r/conservative. So desperate for a reason to hate trans people that they're hating biological women now.

The part that's really cracking me up is that the same people who want to make a completely uninformed political issue out of a female boxer quitting after one punch from another female boxer are the same ones who vehemently attacked Simone Biles during the last Olympics for "quitting". They never pass up an opportunity to be racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, etc.

[MR25]

So what’s the deal with the woman boxer getting knocked out by a dude 46 seconds in

Now that I’ve seen the clip and looked into her background, every part of this post is wrong.

I just realized that a few conservative FB friends posted about this, and it's all over r/conservative. So desperate for a reason to hate trans people that they're hating biological women now.

I mean, this is the natural progression of the "trans athletes shouldn't be in women's sports" argument. Mouthbreathers will just end up going after women because they "look" masculine (because they're athletes and built like athletes).

[NAN]

So what’s the deal with the woman boxer getting knocked out by a dude 46 seconds in

Now that I’ve seen the clip and looked into her background, every part of this post is wrong.

Ha. I saw Paul zeise dodinting about it on twitter. So I figured I’d ask here. That clip above was the first I saw. That was weak.