Phaneuf to LA for Gaborik

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Phaneuf to LA for Gaborik

Postby Jim » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:00 am

Phaneuf - D, 32, $5.25M cap hit, 16pts in 53 games
Thompson - C, 33, $1.65M, 11pts in 43 games

Gaborik - R, 36, $4.875M, 14pts in 30 games
Shore - C, 25, $0.925M, 15pts in 49 games
$1.75M retained on Phaneuf

Why does Ottawa make this trade? i feel that this just adds to the thought that Phaneuf is not a guy that you want on your team and that he wears out his welcome.

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Postby Silentom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:01 am

Pretty much. He is bad at the defense thing.

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Postby Beveridge » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:04 am

Ottawa makes this trade because less real dollars for them to pay out.

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:33 am

Ottawa makes it because they save about $5 or $6 million real cash (didn't prorate) over the length of the contracts...Gaborik is a much better player than Phaneuf...they had a chance to get out from under that Phaneuf contract with a slightly more digestible Gaborik contract. They have no skill, minus Dutchy (also pulled mid-game for a trade) and Gaborik at least has some, whereas Phaneuf has none. They can't be expecting any playoff revenues for the next three years, so getting a refund check like this is worth its weight in gold to a budget team...also, Shore is a decent piece. I wanted him on Pittsburgh before we got Sheahan. Even with the retention, this is a lay-up deal for Ottawa.

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Phaneuf to LA for Gaborik

Postby Jim » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:25 am

Maybe I am missing something... For the three years left on Phaneuf and Gaborik actual salaries...

Phaneuf: 6.5+6.5+5.5 = 18.5 (13.875 LA, 4.625 Ott)
Gaborik: 4.575+3.175+3.075 = 10.825 Ott

13.875 LA vs 15.45 Ott

Even adding in Thompson's 1.65 it is 15.525 vs 15.45, basically making salary $ considerations null ($75,000 total over 3 years).

Shore is a meh 3C, Thompson is a good 4C. Shore has a better O upside but Thompson is more physical and better at FO. At 25 Shore could improve a bit, but realistically how much?
Gaborik is basically a train wreck, and signed through 39 years old.

To me it just looks like they wanted to get rid of Phaneuf and were willing to shoot themselves in the foot a bit to do it. Unless like I sad at the start of this post, am I missing something? I don't see this as a win for Ottawa, much less a lay-up...

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:30 am

I got $22.425 mil going to Los Angeles and $16.825 going to Ottawa.

Gaborik (happy birthday, I think today) is still capable with the ice time he'll get in Ottawa of scoring 15, 18 goals probably. Phaneuf is a fringe NHL player. They got both better players in the deal given their circumstances and saved money.

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Postby Jim » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:59 am

I got $22.425 mil going to Los Angeles and $16.825 going to Ottawa.

Gaborik (happy birthday, I think today) is still capable with the ice time he'll get in Ottawa of scoring 15, 18 goals probably. Phaneuf is a fringe NHL player. They got both better players in the deal given their circumstances and saved money.

Where do you get those #'s? are you not including the 25% retention? I didn't include the rest of this year in my #'s. That would make both sides go up a bit, but basically at the same rate meaning still a close total.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:19 am

I got $22.425 mil going to Los Angeles and $16.825 going to Ottawa.

Gaborik (happy birthday, I think today) is still capable with the ice time he'll get in Ottawa of scoring 15, 18 goals probably. Phaneuf is a fringe NHL player. They got both better players in the deal given their circumstances and saved money.

Where do you get those #'s? are you not including the 25% retention? I didn't include the rest of this year in my #'s. That would make both sides go up a bit, but basically at the same rate meaning still a close total.
Numbers a bit different from mikey's, but:

Sent to LA

Phaneuf - 1.995, 6.50, 6.50, 5.50
Thompson - .470, 1.65

Total: $22.62MM

Kept/Received by Ottawa

Phaneuf - .499, 1.625, 1.625, 1.375
Gaborik - 1.363, 4.575, 3.175, 3.075
Shore - .259, RFA

Total: $17.57MM

Savings of $5.04MM through the 2020-21 season minus whatever it costs for Ottawa to retain Nick Shore.

Your post was comparing what LA will be paying to what Ottawa will be paying. Ottawa doesn't care what LA will be paying. Their concern is what they won't have to pay.

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Postby Jim » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:32 am

Your sent to LA included what Ottawa keeps. It's not 6.5+6.5+5.5, it is 4.875+4.875+4.125

Using your pro-rated numbers for this year...

Sent to LA
Phaneuf - 1.496, 4.875, 4.875, 4.125
Thompson - .470, 1.65
Total: $17.491M

Kept/Received by Ottawa
Phaneuf - .499, 1.625, 1.625, 1.375
Gaborik - 1.363, 4.575, 3.175, 3.075
Shore - .259, RFA
Total: $17.571M

Cost of $80,000 to Ottawa, not a savings.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:47 am

Your sent to LA included what Ottawa keeps. It's not 6.5+6.5+5.5, it is 4.875+4.875+4.125

Using your pro-rated numbers for this year...

Sent to LA
Phaneuf - 1.496, 4.875, 4.875, 4.125
Thompson - .470, 1.65
Total: $17.491M

Kept/Received by Ottawa
Phaneuf - .499, 1.625, 1.625, 1.375
Gaborik - 1.363, 4.575, 3.175, 3.075
Shore - .259, RFA
Total: $17.571M

Cost of $80,000 to Ottawa, not a savings.
Incorrect. Ottawa does not give two flying shits how much LA is going to be paying Phaneuf over the remainder of the contract. Their only concern is what they would have to pay, or more importantly, not have to pay. Ignoring the prorated stuff, if they kept Dion they would owe him $18.5MM through the end of the 2020-21 season. By instead acquiring Gaborik ($10.825MM) and retaining salary on Phaneuf ($4.625MM) they only have to pay $15.45MM through 2020-21, a savings of $3.05MM. Once you add in Thompson and the prorated nonsense Ottawa saves more than $5MM over that time period, minus the spare change thrown at Nick Shore.

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Postby meow » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:03 pm

Ottawa might be inept, but they aren’t going to make a cost savings deal and end owing more money, would they?

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Postby Gaucho » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:07 pm

Well, would they?

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Postby columbia » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:07 pm

Ottawa might be inept, but they aren’t going to make a cost savings deal and end owing more money, would they?
We need to re-open the investigation and see.

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Postby Silentom » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:17 pm

Would they?! I GOTTA KNOW!!

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Postby Jim » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:25 pm

Your sent to LA included what Ottawa keeps. It's not 6.5+6.5+5.5, it is 4.875+4.875+4.125

Using your pro-rated numbers for this year...

Sent to LA
Phaneuf - 1.496, 4.875, 4.875, 4.125
Thompson - .470, 1.65
Total: $17.491M

Kept/Received by Ottawa
Phaneuf - .499, 1.625, 1.625, 1.375
Gaborik - 1.363, 4.575, 3.175, 3.075
Shore - .259, RFA
Total: $17.571M

Cost of $80,000 to Ottawa, not a savings.
Incorrect. Ottawa does not give two flying shits how much LA is going to be paying Phaneuf over the remainder of the contract. Their only concern is what they would have to pay, or more importantly, not have to pay. Ignoring the prorated stuff, if they kept Dion they would owe him $18.5MM through the end of the 2020-21 season. By instead acquiring Gaborik ($10.825MM) and retaining salary on Phaneuf ($4.625MM) they only have to pay $15.45MM through 2020-21, a savings of $3.05MM. Once you add in Thompson and the prorated nonsense Ottawa saves more than $5MM over that time period, minus the spare change thrown at Nick Shore.
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Postby Beveridge » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:55 pm

I thought that cap retention and money paid were 2 different things? As in Toronto is on the books for 1.2 or w/e for Phil the Thrill but we pay his full 8 million.

Is that not right? I was thinking LA would be paying the full contract for Phaneuf, but Ottawa would keep some of the cap hit like Toronto and Phil.

Did Ottawa do the opposite? Moved all the cap, but will still be paying some $$.
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Postby Silentom » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:56 pm

I guess Ottawa felt Phaneuf was enough.

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Postby meow » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Perhaps Ottawa had had Phaenough

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Postby Silentom » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:59 pm

Anybody could Ceci that coming.

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Postby meow » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:02 pm

What about you? Could you Ceci that coming?

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Postby meow » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:05 pm

You think this is a game, dodint? Oduya?!

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:06 pm

I thought that cap retention and money paid were 2 different things? As in Toronto is on the books for 1.2 or w/e for Phil the Thrill but we pay his full 8 million.

Is that not right? I was thinking LA would be paying the full contract for Phaneuf, but Ottawa would keep some of the cap hit like Toronto and Phil.

Did Ottawa do the opposite? Moved all the cap, but will still be paying some $$.
From Cap Friendly:
When a team trades a player, they have the option to retain a part of their salary (and cap hit). The team who retains the salary then pays the retained percentage of the salary, and also retains the percentage of the cap hit until the contract expires. The following requirements must be met to retain salary:

The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player’s salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.

The same percentage must be retained for both the player’s salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.
Toronto has to eat 15% of Phil’s $8mm cap hit AND pay 15% of his annual salary, which this year is $9mm (so $1.35mm).
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