Hockey Randomness

Postby **Lemon Berry Lobster** » Fri May 19, 2023 12:10 pm

Expected that Dubas will be packing his ****.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Fri May 19, 2023 12:17 pm

I'm not sure he could have done anymore in terms of building a roster...not saying it was perfect, but man was it ever good...

Postby **Morkle** » Fri May 19, 2023 12:20 pm

Expected that Dubas will be packing his ****.

If he's not going back to Toronto, FSG should ask him if he seriously meant what he said.

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Fri May 19, 2023 3:55 pm

I'm not sure he could have done anymore in terms of building a roster...not saying it was perfect, but man was it ever good...

IMO the only thing that was his fault was Babcock but there was no way to know that. I guess goaltending but he built a team on paper that should have been contending late into the playoffs each year. I guess they have to blame someone.

Postby **Morkle** » Fri May 19, 2023 4:09 pm

Even their goaltending wasn't terrible. Samsonov showed up they just had an injury carousel. They had 5 different goalies this year.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Fri May 19, 2023 4:27 pm

Freddy Andersen is on his way to the Cup...outside of his prime.

What Babcock situation...?

Postby **shafnutz05** » Fri May 19, 2023 5:52 pm

Come home Kyle

Postby **King Colby** » Fri May 19, 2023 6:25 pm

Postby **DigitalGypsy66** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:23 am

Interesting having to compete with Toronto for a GM. Would that help or hinder the Penguins? I would imagine some candidates would want to remain in Canada, working for an Original Six franchise. Some would want nothing to do with the spotlight up there.

Postby **nocera** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:38 am

Interesting having to compete with Toronto for a GM. Would that help or hinder the Penguins? I would imagine some candidates would want to remain in Canada, working for an Original Six franchise. Some would want nothing to do with the spotlight up there.

Well it certainly helps that they fired the GM that we want. So at least we’re not competing for him.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:42 am

As Penguins GM, the problems are pretty easy to identify and you just need to find one more win...

As Leafs GM, your team has had its best run in 60 years and fans are still mad. They've done almost everything right in terms of roster construction, but do nothing but tread water. You're also out your own 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 this year. Your own 2, 3 in 2024. Your own 1, 2, 4 in 2025.

Postby **MR25** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:54 am

And you have Brendan Shanahan overseeing every decision

Postby **King Colby** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:54 am

But you have no assets in Pittsburgh and are probably at least 2 years away from contending, whereas in Toronto you have some bigtime desirable assets that could turn around the franchise in an afternoon. Or you could stand pat and realize it's hard to win and make the mid-level moves to put you over the top.

Postby **King Colby** » Sat May 20, 2023 10:55 am

And you have Brendan Shanahan overseeing every decision

If true, which none of us have any **** idea, that would be a point for pittsburgh. Provided we don't have a PoHO that does the same, which none of us have any **** idea

Postby **MR25** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:07 am

Well we fired the guy who was pretending to be PoHO so...

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:08 am

Pretending...?

Postby **MR25** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:15 am

Doesn't seem like the kind of person overseeing/approving decisions if an AGM can force the GM to trade for a guy who's 2 past his prime because "he was good 2 years ago and we've been trying to get him since".

But at any rate, the main point I was making is that there was a power struggle in the Leafs org, because the GM didn't have full autonomy in decision making, and when the guy asked for full autonomy plus a slight pay bump, he was let go. Not exactly attractive for someone who wants to mold a team how they want to.

Postby **nocera** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:16 am

Have we ever had a GM with full autonomy? Is that common? FGMJR allegedly left because he wanted to make a move that ownership disagrees with. FGMRH had FSG and Burke oversight. Howard Baldwin swung his dick around.

And how would we feel giving a GM full autonomy and their first step is trading Malkin, Letang, or Sid?

Postby **MR25** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:20 am

I'm just saying the Leafs seem dysfunctional from top down, despite the attractiveness of the market and team currently in place.

YouTube · Postby **mikey** » Sat May 20, 2023 11:59 am

Yeah, this isn't necessarily "wrong", but this is a really heavy bet being done in the blind basically...it assumes that Dubas is righteous...out of major junior, where he also didn't do **** and made some very costly moves. I believe that team, with his full autonomy, also didn't win a 2nd round game...though, they did far better after he left...but still made it a point to bring virtually every Soo player and coach he could find into the organization...

This also assumes that Shanahan, who had both Lamoriello and Bowman experience for most of his career, is an evil dinosaur that wouldn't let Dubas have infinite money and power...

And maybe, maybe that's right...but I just don't see how you got there or could reasonably know this...

Postby **King Colby** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:00 pm

Well we fired the guy who was pretending to be PoHO so...

?

Stop reading rossi man. You have no idea what Burke did or didn't do

Postby **dodint** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:00 pm

Nobody does.

Postby **King Colby** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:00 pm

Have we ever had a GM with full autonomy? Is that common? FGMJR allegedly left because he wanted to make a move that ownership disagrees with. FGMRH had FSG and Burke oversight. Howard Baldwin swung his dick around.

And how would we feel giving a GM full autonomy and their first step is trading Malkin, Letang, or Sid?

Shero was blocked from trading Letang years ago too, right before the 8x7.5 extension I believe

Postby **nocera** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:04 pm

Have we ever had a GM with full autonomy? Is that common? FGMJR allegedly left because he wanted to make a move that ownership disagrees with. FGMRH had FSG and Burke oversight. Howard Baldwin swung his dick around.

And how would we feel giving a GM full autonomy and their first step is trading Malkin, Letang, or Sid?
Shero was blocked from trading Letang years ago too, right before the 8x7.5 extension I believe

My question was genuine. Is there such a thing as a fully autonomous NHL GM? I don’t think we’ve seen one in Pittsburgh.

Postby **King Colby** » Sat May 20, 2023 12:07 pm

Have we ever had a GM with full autonomy? Is that common? FGMJR allegedly left because he wanted to make a move that ownership disagrees with. FGMRH had FSG and Burke oversight. Howard Baldwin swung his dick around.

And how would we feel giving a GM full autonomy and their first step is trading Malkin, Letang, or Sid?
Shero was blocked from trading Letang years ago too, right before the 8x7.5 extension I believe
My question was genuine. Is there such a thing as a fully autonomous NHL GM? I don’t think we’ve seen one in Pittsburgh.

I'd be surprised if there is one anywhere - ownership has revenue goals to keep in focus, you can't just trade your most marketable players without sign-off. So it's likely there is some degree of sign-off required at least for bigger moves