Fifth Avenue Forum

I mean, he knew about it… I don’t really understand why this board is the only place I’ve seen people either indifferent to it or disagreeing with getting rid of these folks who were complicit.

What role did he not serve adequately? It was reported to his superior.

Well this sounds like a familiar argument I've heard somewhere before

I mean, he knew about it… I don’t really understand why this board is the only place I’ve seen people either indifferent to it or disagreeing with getting rid of these folks who were complicit.

What role did he not serve adequately? It was reported to his superior.

Well this sounds like a familiar argument I've heard somewhere before

Decades of abuse (of minors) vs a single known incident.

If Q is culpable where does the buck stop? Why wouldn't every other player on the roster then be culpable too?

Plus didn't they go to Paterno first? Whereas it's not like this particular one was reported directly to Q. It went over his head, where it belongs

Tbh I don't know the details of this situation and was just making a silly post

I read the 107 page document last night. Pretty **** up.

I mean, he knew about it… I don’t really understand why this board is the only place I’ve seen people either indifferent to it or disagreeing with getting rid of these folks who were complicit.

The board with a heavy amount of PSU supporters?

Yeah man, weird.

Edit: Blah, ****, tree'd by ulf.

The report showed Q was at the meeting where Aldrich's assault was discussed between the team psych, Q, GM, and Pres of Hockey Ops, and he made it a point to mention that he didn't want to disrupt the team in the playoffs by firing Aldrich and bringing the situation to light.

He's part of that problem, there.

Sure, he may not have had the final say in what to do, but he very clearly made it clear he didn't want to ruin the team's mojo and do anything about it.

And then apparently lied publicly about it. Wouldn't wanna upset anyone

So yeah like I was saying, he shouldn’t have covered up sexual assault.

Yeah I missed that part. Nor do I understand how firing a video coach would mess with the team chemistry

I think it was the whole "people will ask questions and the 'why' will get out and cause a distraction"

Yeah I hear you but at the end of the day he's not a bad guy. He made a mistake 11 years ago. The whole world learned a lot since then. He had cups in his eyes and it blurred his vision of what really matters

So yeah like I was saying, he shouldn’t have covered up sexual assault.

The last two pages of this thread have been wild, and not in a good way.

So yeah like I was saying, he shouldn’t have covered up sexual assault.

The last two pages of this thread have been wild, and not in a good way.

Calm yourself, Nancy. No one here has an extreme opinion. There are three opinions.

I don’t care
Woof. That’s bad including Coach Q
Woof. That’s bad, but I don’t feel like Coach Q did anything wrong

I'm comfortable saying the guy that didn't want to report sexual assault is in fact a bad guy

Quite the leap there, ulfster. I applaud your bravery

What Ulf said. And also, a captain only has to deal with hockey issues? GTFO with that bullshit. Leaders are supposed to be just that - leaders.

You are over-valuing what being a captain really means. Having a captain shoulder responsibility for a sexual assault allegation between a nerd video coach and a player that Toews probably didn’t even know his name? That is a big old stretch. That’s like you dealing with an issue at work because your company CEO groped his secretary. It just doesn’t make any sense.

That's not what I'm saying. If you hear or see something, you say something. Just ignoring it is unacceptable, regardless of who you are or what your role is.

What bothers me the most regarding Toews/the other players is that Beach received the verbal abuse in and around that locker room during camp. And no one stepped in to say "OK that's enough".

“Not his job.” “Locker room talk.”

Well...we don't know that no one said that either. Though, if someone did, it probably wasn't Toews. Beach was recalled from juniors to be a black ace. It's very unlikely they had much interaction at all at this point...like, they're not even practicing on the same ice for all intents and purposes...

I mean, maybe he was in a position to do something and knew something...maybe but I'm not sure he knew enough or the depth of it to make a play...and I know how easy it is for everyone in retrospect to go, "Oh, I definitely would have..." shut up. No you wouldn't.

I'm not the least bit upset about folks being held accountable here...I think if Q didn't presumably lie about his knowledge of this, he's probably still employed. I don't need Toews and Kane to go to jail because some blogger says so. I don't need the Blackhawks to not play for a year (lol).

Toews and Kane are getting the appropriate amount of **** for being leaders on the team and allowing a teammate to receive verbal abuse and homophobic slurs. They don't need stripped of their C or A or punished in any other way than what's currently happening to them. By the way, the story I heard was Toews didn't know about it until the following camp, which is when the team started ragging on Beach asking where his boyfriend Aldrich was. Maybe it's not up to Toews to report on sexual assault, but I would think it'd be his job to unite the team.

Bowman & MacIsaac stepped down. Q is gone. Cheveldayoff is likely next. Aldrich's name will probably be x'd out on the Cup.

I'm where mikey is with Q. Lying about his knowledge of the event was the nail in his coffin. Would have been better off saying he and the rest of the world learned a lot about these types of situations and their impact in the last 11 years and he would have acted differently, done more than "let someone else handle", etc. But to actually say you are hearing about it for the first time was the end.

Regarding the "locker room talk" thing, F off. I said recently in another thread that there's been a lot of ground taken on gay acceptance in the past 10 years, to the point where gay bashers actually stand out now, in a bad way. I still have one or two people in my life that say "f*ggot" and mostly everyone thinks they're complete losers.

Plus did the players even know the extent of the incident, or just that beach was hanging around that creep and then gave him a hard time (probably because they all knew he was a **** weirdo).

What bothers me the most regarding Toews/the other players is that Beach received the verbal abuse in and around that locker room during camp. And no one stepped in to say "OK that's enough".