Game of Thrones Discussion

Postby **shmenguin** » Tue May 14, 2019 4:48 pm

You got me thinking DD and NAN are levelheaded. NAN!

i've done nothing. water finds its own level, meow.

Postby **meow** » Tue May 14, 2019 4:49 pm

You got me thinking DD and NAN are levelheaded. NAN!
i've done nothing. water finds its own level, meow.

Nope. This is unforgivable

Postby **NAN** » Tue May 14, 2019 4:59 pm

You got me thinking DD and NAN are levelheaded. NAN!

Postby **shafnutz05** » Tue May 14, 2019 4:59 pm

Is it possible, nay, permissible, to think the writing has completely gone off the rails and still enjoy the spectacle? That's where I'm at now.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:00 pm

Is it possible, nay, permissible, to think the writing has completely gone off the rails and still enjoy the spectacle? That's where I'm at now.

I think that’s where pretty much everyone is at.

Postby **meow** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:01 pm

But do you hate watch?

Postby **shafnutz05** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:08 pm

So are we thinking that Varys' handiwork last week brings a bunch of houses to King's Landing to fight Dany? I don't really foresee another protracted battle scene though.

Postby **NAN** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:09 pm

Is it possible, nay, permissible, to think the writing has completely gone off the rails and still enjoy the spectacle? That's where I'm at now.

Like I said a while back, for a story that is complex, the closing is rushed, and therefore the show has gone downhill. But it's still enjoyable.

Postby **Sam's Drunk Dog** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:24 pm

As much as I would have preferred for Cersei to meet a more cruel fate, horrible people don't always get a cruel death in real life and being crushed to death isn't exactly a picnic.

Postby **shmenguin** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:38 pm

As much as I would have preferred for Cersei to meet a more cruel fate, horrible people don't always get a cruel death in real life and being crushed to death isn't exactly a picnic.

thinking about it more, i wanted Stark satisfaction more than Cersei suffering. but now the Starks don't give a hoot since they're about to get BBQ'd, so whatever. bittersweet it is.

Postby **Stoosh** » Tue May 14, 2019 5:38 pm

As much as I would have preferred for Cersei to meet a more cruel fate, horrible people don't always get a cruel death in real life and being crushed to death isn't exactly a picnic.

Agreed. As much as I hoped Cersei would meet some sort of miserable end, we've also gotten plenty of "justice served" deaths for most of the other awful people on this show - Ramsey, Joffrey, Walder Frey & Littlefinger chief among them.

I also liked the symbolism of the only sanctuary she had left crashing down on her.

Postby **shmenguin** » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm

As much as I would have preferred for Cersei to meet a more cruel fate, horrible people don't always get a cruel death in real life and being crushed to death isn't exactly a picnic.
Agreed. As much as I hoped Cersei would meet some sort of miserable end, we've also gotten plenty of "justice served" deaths for most of the other awful people on this show - Ramsey, Joffrey, Walder Frey & Littlefinger chief among them.

I also liked the symbolism of the only sanctuary she had left crashing down on her.

These are good points. I think I can ultimately live with this decision.

If the premise is revealed next week that Dany is legit insane and this episode was completely because of her Targaryen donkey brain and not because of emotional triggers then this isn’t a terrible episode.

...still wanted Cleganebowl to be of some consequence, but I never cared a ton for that sub plot.

Postby **Willie Kool** » Tue May 14, 2019 6:19 pm

If the premise is revealed next week that Dany is legit insane and this episode was completely because of her Targaryen donkey brain and not because of emotional triggers then this isn’t a terrible episode.

Insanity is insanity, be it temporary or permanent...

Postby **AuthorTony** » Tue May 14, 2019 6:24 pm

I get that, but ASOIAF is GRRM's creation, so I think he can do whatever he wants with it and doesn't owe the audience anything.

I agree, to a point. The sticking point is that I'd bet good money when GRRM sold the rights to HBO, he told them he'd have the last two books finished before it came time to film that material. I really don't think HBO would have greenlit the series if they thought there was a good chance they'd have to make up the last few seasons as they went along.

Postby **shmenguin** » Tue May 14, 2019 6:54 pm

If the premise is revealed next week that Dany is legit insane and this episode was completely because of her Targaryen donkey brain and not because of emotional triggers then this isn’t a terrible episode.
Insanity is insanity, be it temporary or permanent...

That’s...not true.

Keep in mind this was the worst, most needlessly violent act ever committed in human history. I’m hoping she will be wearing the craziest of crazy pants on Sunday. If they try to make her seem at all like a cogent, rational person who just has a chip on her shoulder...woof.

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:01 pm

"human"

Postby **Willie Kool** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:30 pm

If the premise is revealed next week that Dany is legit insane and this episode was completely because of her Targaryen donkey brain and not because of emotional triggers then this isn’t a terrible episode.
Insanity is insanity, be it temporary or permanent...
That’s...not true.

Keep in mind this was the worst, most needlessly violent act ever committed in human history.

What does that matter? She quite obviously completely lost it in that moment. The degree of damage has nothing to do with it. It's only the worst act ever because she has Drogon. If all she had was a dagger, it would have been at worst a handful of people.

Postby **Gaucho** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:37 pm

Postby **Pavel Bure** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:40 pm

So now that dragons can’t be killed again how does anyone oppose her. Even if all of Westeros decided to band together they would lose.

Postby **Sam's Drunk Dog** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:42 pm

Postby **Willie Kool** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:46 pm

So now that dragons can’t be killed again how does anyone oppose her. Even if all of Westeros decided to band together they would lose.

If Jon is also immune to fire, including dragonfire...

Postby **Willie Kool** » Tue May 14, 2019 7:58 pm

It's literally how she amassed every bit of her power.

In the words of Ramsay Bolton, "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."

Postby **skullman80** » Tue May 14, 2019 8:03 pm

The Cersei death was awful, and nothing will change how bad it was handled.

Postby **shmenguin** » Tue May 14, 2019 8:29 pm

The Cersei death was awful, and nothing will change how bad it was handled.

What was your specific issue with it?

Postby **blackjack68** » Tue May 14, 2019 8:56 pm

quick accounting of who didn't appear in last episode that might play a role in the finale:

Sansa
Bran
Yara
Brienne
Bronn
Samwell

I could see Samwell just being content now. Yara might mind her own beeswax on the iron isles and be out of it all now, or play a part in jon vs dany. Sansa and Bran, who tf knows there, wildcards. Is there a place for Bronn or Brienne anymore?
Only thing that makes sense for bronn to show up is saving Tyrion from Dany. Can't think of anything else.

I thought Samwell pulled a “peace out” in episode 4.