Fifth Avenue Forum

I'm down to the final six episodes of The Shield. Gonna try and binge them this weekend, but if not, will definitely be finishing it early next week.

Thoughts on the post-Lem era?

I'm still **** mad at Shane. I do think the show lost a bit of humanity when Lem was killed off, though Vic does seem to be trying to change that path. Still love this show, and barring an absolute failure of a finale, it's top-5 for me all-time.

The finale is at or near the top all time for me, so I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.

Man, the finale had it all. I can't believe what Shane did, and I guess it's fitting how Vic ended up, which is basically living hell for him. Still missed Lem, though.

Thoughts on the post-Lem era?

I'm still **** mad at Shane. I do think the show lost a bit of humanity when Lem was killed off, though Vic does seem to be trying to change that path. Still love this show, and barring an absolute failure of a finale, it's top-5 for me all-time.

The finale is at or near the top all time for me, so I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.

Man, the finale had it all. I can't believe what Shane did, and I guess it's fitting how Vic ended up, which is basically living hell for him. Still missed Lem, though.

Top five drama all time for me. Honestly probably falls into third behind Breaking Bad and The Wire. Ground breaking show that was great throughout its run and had an amazing finale. Happy to hear you enjoyed because I don’t think it gets discussed enough along the likes of other great shows.

Funny that you mention those two shows, because I have seen neither. The Wire is probably next for me, once I figure out where I can watch it, or download the series.

Edit: Downloading The Wire now.

Funny that you mention those two shows, because I have seen neither. The Wire is probably next for me, once I figure out where I can watch it, or download the series.

Edit: Downloading The Wire now.

I didn't watch Breaking Bad until late last year, but don't wait any longer. Watch that now.

Take it from 2 Psych brothers. Get on it.

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Loved the show. Walt was very interesting as a character. Most of the time I could really relate with him (what I would call the fake Walt) those other times when he was all ME! I’M THE BEST I DID THE WORK ME ME ME. Really showed that under everything he was always and egomaniacal a-hole.

I think when it really boils down to it he didn’t give a **** about his family or Jesse. It was just the piece of him he molded for years to do the societal right thing. Even when Hank was gonna die, I think his emotion was more driven by it not being his plan and things didn’t work out just how he wanted.

No matter the good Walt ever did he was always a razors edge from snapping into the actual jerk he was. (This was also illustrated really well with his claim that he was screwed out of a billion dollar company even though he made the decision to be bought out.) I mean **** his friend offered him a great paying job with great insurance. His family wouldn’t have had to want for anything and he would have been fine with his medical care. But nooo Walt’s ego wanted more, wanted some bullshit I’m better than them story.

I think the phone call with Skylar in the episode showed that, while Ego Walt was definitely a thing, he ultimately was motivated by his love of family. Same with risking capture to deliver the remining, er, 'proceeds' of his work and to say goodbye to Holly.

That said, I remain 100% all in on the theory that Walt died at the end of Granite State and the events of Felina are actually his internal fantasy as he fades into oblivious in his car. (I know Vince Gilligan has directly refuted this, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the stupid series creator and showrunner interfere with my interpretation of their work.)

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Loved the show. Walt was very interesting as a character. Most of the time I could really relate with him (what I would call the fake Walt) those other times when he was all ME! I’M THE BEST I DID THE WORK ME ME ME. Really showed that under everything he was always and egomaniacal a-hole.

I think when it really boils down to it he didn’t give a **** about his family or Jesse. It was just the piece of him he molded for years to do the societal right thing. Even when Hank was gonna die, I think his emotion was more driven by it not being his plan and things didn’t work out just how he wanted.

No matter the good Walt ever did he was always a razors edge from snapping into the actual jerk he was. (This was also illustrated really well with his claim that he was screwed out of a billion dollar company even though he made the decision to be bought out.) I mean **** his friend offered him a great paying job with great insurance. His family wouldn’t have had to want for anything and he would have been fine with his medical care. But nooo Walt’s ego wanted more, wanted some bullshit I’m better than them story.

Yeah, the first time around I rooted for Walter and hated Skylar. The second time I found myself siding with Skylar most of the time. I guess that's what happens when you get old.

El Camino was a waste of time anyway.

I think the phone call with Skylar in the (I forget if it was Ozymandias or Granite State) episode showed that, while Ego Walt was definitely a thing, he ultimately was motivated by his love of family. Same with risking capture to deliver the remining, er, 'proceeds' of his work and to say goodbye to Holly.

That said, I remain 100% all in on the theory that Walt died at the end of Granite State and the events of Felina are actually his internal fantasy as he fades into oblivious in his car. (I know Vince Gilligan has directly refuted this, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the stupid series creator and showrunner interfere with my interpretation of their work.)

I think the phone call with Skylar in the (I forget if it was Ozymandias or Granite State) episode showed that, while Ego Walt was definitely a thing, he ultimately was motivated by his love of family. Same with risking capture to deliver the remining, er, 'proceeds' of his work and to say goodbye to Holly.

That said, I remain 100% all in on the theory that Walt died at the end of Granite State and the events of Felina are actually his internal fantasy as he fades into oblivious in his car. (I know Vince Gilligan has directly refuted this, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let the stupid series creator and showrunner interfere with my interpretation of their work.)

So El Camino is also a fantasy?

You think that was joy? We totally read it differently...