Colossal TV Show thread

[tifosi77]

Is anyone watching We Were The Lucky Ones?

It's getting proper good accolades, but it just feels so amateurish. Like the people making it don't understand their medium. Stories are intercut aimlessly. Ad breaks are abrupt, coming on unnatural story beats. The characters are a collection of generally unlikable dopes who take in all the information available to them and make the worst decision possible. Drama is undercut by rich plot armor. Consecutive scenes work against each other.They are weaving multiple budding romance narratives into the story which is at best incongruous. The music (at least the theme) is a poor knock off of Schindler's List. It's all just a bit.............. awkward.

[tifosi77]

More thoughts on what's in store for the Shōgun finale

Full credit to Mrs Tif if this proves true, she offered it up as a hot take today.

What if it wasn't Ishido who sent word to Yabu to dispatch the shinobi to kidnap Mariko. There was no written note of alliance from Ishido, after all. Just the report from Yabushige's busho.

Well, what if it was a ruse. And Yabu is the proverbial lazy falcon broken to the fist and taking the lure. What if the busho is Toranaga's spy, and the order actually came from Toranaga under the guise of maneuvering to aid Ishido, and the put upon busho was only too happy to assist. Yabu has served his purpose and can be made to answer for his treachery.

I don't think that's how if will play out, but I don't don't think it, either. lol

The only reason I don't think it's the case is because the shinobi were clearly trying to kill Blackthorne. And I don't believe Toranaga is through with him just yet.

[tifosi77]

Shōgun, episode 10 - the finale

They stuck the landing.

Letting Yabu linger for those few extra moments was cold, but earned. I'm glad the showrunners held their bravery and refrained from the pointless spectacle of a giant battle sequence, and please do not do a Season 2. A flower is only a flower because it falls.

"I return you to the sky. Bear many daughters."

So goddamned good. More thoughts later.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Shōgun, episode 10 - the finale

They stuck the landing.

Letting Yabu linger for those few extra moments was cold, but earned. I'm glad the showrunners held their bravery and refrained from the pointless spectacle of a giant battle sequence, and please do not do a Season 2. A flower is only a flower because it falls.

"I return you to the sky. Bear many daughters."

So goddamned good. More thoughts later.

Yes. Perfect finale, no notes and certainly no need for another season.
I would like to see Clavell's other Asian saga novels made into series, but I doubt that will happen.

[Pavel Bure]

Decided to start watching Star Trek TNG for the first time since I was a kid. Man, how did such a “woke” show get so popular?

/sarcasm

[tifosi77]

Shōgun, episode 10 - the finale

They stuck the landing.

Letting Yabu linger for those few extra moments was cold, but earned. I'm glad the showrunners held their bravery and refrained from the pointless spectacle of a giant battle sequence, and please do not do a Season 2. A flower is only a flower because it falls.

"I return you to the sky. Bear many daughters."

So goddamned good. More thoughts later.

Yes. Perfect finale, no notes and certainly no need for another season.
I would like to see Clavell's other Asian saga novels made into series, but I doubt that will happen.

Agree on that second point. There are like 9 or 10 books right? And at least one of those other ones was adapted into a movie iirc. Plenty of source material, have a time in the "Clavellverse". But move on.

[tifosi77]

lol

I got a Shōgun bento box as swag today.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Oh ****, I forgot that was a Disney property.

Shogun event at Epcot soon?

Is Miriko-sama a Disney Princess?

[NTP66]

The entire Knuckles TV series is available today on Paramount+.

[tifosi77]

Shōgun thoughts

So I've been going back over the episodes, not a full rewatch (I've already watched each episode except the finale 2x) but hitting some highlights. Seems others have noticed the same thing about Yabu's last scene.

Top image: Toranaga's last words to Yabu in Ep10
Bottom image: Ep1, Yabu saying he doesn't want to tell Toranaga about the barbarian ship

Either Omi or the young busho (out of focus in behind Yabu) was the spy all along. If it was in fact Omi, then that casts all of Omi's personal needlings and cahooting with Nagakado in a completely different - and frankly sinister - light. Toranaga maybe didn't know that the kid would cannon-murder Jozen, or that he'd slip on a rock and smush his own skull trying to assassinate Saeki, but it's clear Toranaga expected - planned - for Nagakado to do something brash and provocative towards Ishido to demonstrate that perhaps Toranaga couldn't even control his own family much less organize a campaign against the Council which would further reinforce the Ishido's false impression of strength. If Omi was the spy, that means Toranaga actively encouraged his son's folly by proxy knowing he could be setting his own kid up as a sacrificial lamb.

That said, I still tend to think the spy was the busho. I haven't gotten to looking at Ep9 again, but I believe he is sitting in the Council room when Yabu and Anjin and Mariko spoke in Ep9, and so heard Ishido derisively note "he has others (sons)" when Mariko said Toranaga was still grieving the loss of Nagakado. That gives color to the notion of Toranaga himself pointing out that he has other sons when he is reunited with his wife/consorts/infant baby-son. And Toranaga already had a spy in Izu in the form or Muraji, what he needed was a spy in Yabu's camp.

The more I go through this, the more it seems like the show was one giant recall joke.

[NTP66]

CBS has a dozen NCIS shows, so of course they cancel the one we actually like (Hawaii).

[dodint]

Oh no.

[scb147]

Wow, that was a quick cancelation, only 3 seasons. Probably because LL Cool J has been involved this season

[NTP66]

Yeah, his role was just odd, and he never really fit in. CBS apparently has a studio in Hawaii, so I’m sure we’ll just get a new show based out of there.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Shogun was the best season of television in the last five years.

[DigitalGypsy66]

Shogun was the best season of television in the last five years.

Yes.

[NTP66]

I still maintain that this show has some of the worst music in all of television.

[MR25]

Pretty sure it's all Canadian artists, so that mostly tracks

[Shyster]

Been watching Fallout, and it's pretty decent, but they really need to do some sort of reference for the legendary bugginess that so often rears its head in Bethesda games. Like there should be a scene where the main characters come across a body that's halfway sticking out of a wall, or someone in the background falls out of the sky, or someone in the background drops through the ground, and the MCs just look at it, shrug, say nothing, and keep walking.

[blackjack68]

I still maintain that this show has some of the worst music in all of television.

Well, Canada so…

[Kane]

Huh?!

[NTP66]

[dodint]

[meow]

“They’re deranged”

[Pavel Bure]

Seinfeld openly dated a 17 year old in his 30’s. He’s a creep.