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Postby columbia » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:14 pm

McDaniels will be their next HC, that seems clear.
what if it's brady
He's already their OC. :pop:

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:15 pm

And oh, btw, in the process we will get to stick it to the team that's most likely to be our biggest road block for the next five years
hahah

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extremely confusing take by tif. more bullish on the colts than jim irsay it appears
i know i'm not the bad take decider but i would call that a #badtake

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Postby slappybrown » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:32 pm

Lets let tif flesh this one out

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:37 pm

Re AFC roadblocks.....

Steelers - A lot closer to mediocrity than I think any of us want to admit.

Jags - Fake news; 4-0 against HOU and IND last year, playing with backups. Even if you split those games, JAX finishes 8-8 and is on the sidelines in January.

Bills - lol

KC - Patrick Mahomes, good luck with that.

Tennessee - Similar story to JAX, 3-1 against the backups in IND and HOU.




Non-playoff teams:

Oakland - GRUDEN, but they're already close to their peak.

Chargers - Old QB, overachieved last year to win 9 games.

Ravens - A rebound for them would constitute winning 10 games and still maybe not making the playoffs again.

Bengals - Marvin Lewis /end

The Colts and maybe the Texans are the only AFC teams with anything like this kind of instant upside potential. All other teams are silly.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:43 pm

Source of the post Steelers - A lot closer to mediocrity than I think any of us want to admit.
I'm going to need you to explain your reasoning behind this statement.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:44 pm

Source of the post Steelers - A lot closer to mediocrity than I think any of us want to admit.
I'm going to need you to explain your reasoning behind this statement.
Remove Ben for Jones.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:48 pm

And also also how the Bell situation resolves. The defense is a wreck, and it's taking other world generational skill players on offense to get this team to 10+ wins every year, where you can safely spot them at least four wins out of the gun every year because of their division.

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Postby shmenguin » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:57 pm

And also also how the Bell situation resolves. The defense is a wreck, and it's taking other world generational skill players on offense to get this team to 10+ wins every year, where you can safely spot them at least four wins out of the gun every year because of their division.
Bell is dandy but this isn't 1996. He's over used and leaning on the run game hurts the offense - even if he gets yards at a good clip. His cuts and broken tackles amount to the same as a vanilla Jesse James catch.

This team dies when we lose our QB. Which may or may not be soon.

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Postby NTP66 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 1:59 pm

Source of the post Steelers - A lot closer to mediocrity than I think any of us want to admit.
I'm going to need you to explain your reasoning behind this statement.
Remove Ben for Jones.
Ben said he wants to go another 3 years. I think that skirts “soon” by a year.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:20 pm

And also also how the Bell situation resolves. The defense is a wreck, and it's taking other world generational skill players on offense to get this team to 10+ wins every year, where you can safely spot them at least four wins out of the gun every year because of their division.
Bell is dandy but this isn't 1996. He's over used and leaning on the run game hurts the offense - even if he gets yards at a good clip. His cuts and broken tackles amount to the same as a vanilla Jesse James catch.

This team dies when we lose our QB. Which may or may not be soon.
I don't disagree with the overall sensibility of this post, but I don't think leaning on Bell hurts the offense. It is the offense..... 406 touches last year is a lot (we can debate if it's too much), but that's the coaches telling you that Bell is the cog that makes the whole shebang work.

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Postby CBear3 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:48 pm

KC - Patrick MahomesAndy Reid, good luck with that.
FTFY

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:30 pm

Team Yards From Scrimmage from the RB Position

1 New Orleans Saints 3269
2 Jacksonville Jaguars 2713
3 New England Patriots 2700
4 Denver Broncos 2550
5 Minnesota Vikings 2461
6 Baltimore Ravens 2450
7 Los Angeles Rams 2445
8 Los Angeles Chargers 2313
9 San Francisco 49ers 2309
10 Dallas Cowboys 2302
11 Philadelphia Eagles 2283
12 Atlanta Falcons 2280
13 New York Jets 2263
14 Chicago Bears 2256
15 Pittsburgh Steelers 2246
16 Buffalo Bills 2182
17 Carolina Panthers 2159
18 Cleveland Browns 2158
19 Kansas City Chiefs 2145
20 Washington Redskins 2130
21 Houston Texans 2096
22 New York Giants 2091
23 Oakland Raiders 1999
24 Indianapolis Colts 1966
25 Cincinnati Bengals 1965
26 Arizona Cardinals 1945
27 Miami Dolphins 1835
28 Tennessee Titans 1830
29 Green Bay Packers 1828
30 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1747
31 Seattle Seahawks 1743
32 Detroit Lions 1735

% Total RB Yards From Scrimmage Generated By Leading Rusher

1 Pittsburgh Steelers 86.64%
2 Los Angeles Rams 85.60%
3 Kansas City Chiefs 83.08%
4 Buffalo Bills 72.69%
5 Los Angeles Chargers 68.35%
6 Indianapolis Colts 61.34%
7 Houston Texans 57.97%
8 San Francisco 49ers 55.78%
9 Chicago Bears 55.27%
10 Dallas Cowboys 54.39%
11 Oakland Raiders 52.13%
12 Atlanta Falcons 51.84%
13 Tennessee Titans 50.55%
14 Carolina Panthers 50.30%
15 Jacksonville Jaguars 49.47%
16 Denver Broncos 48.27%
17 Cleveland Browns 48.24%
18 Miami Dolphins 48.12%
19 New Orleans Saints 47.54%
20 Baltimore Ravens 47.35%
21 Cincinnati Bengals 46.46%
22 Green Bay Packers 44.75%
23 Detroit Lions 42.07%
24 New York Jets 41.63%
25 New York Giants 41.46%
26 New England Patriots 41.11%
27 Minnesota Vikings 40.27%
28 Washington Redskins 37.75%
29 Philadelphia Eagles 35.74%
30 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30.74%
31 Arizona Cardinals 26.68%
32 Seattle Seahawks 25.99%

% Total Yards Generated From RB Position

1 New Orleans Saints 52.23%
2 Baltimore Ravens 50.14%
3 Denver Broncos 49.18%
4 Chicago Bears 49.05%
5 Jacksonville Jaguars 46.34%
6 New York Jets 46.33%
7 Buffalo Bills 45.06%
8 Cincinnati Bengals 43.78%
9 Cleveland Browns 43.67%
10 Dallas Cowboys 43.34%
11 Indianapolis Colts 43.18%
12 Minnesota Vikings 43.10%
13 New England Patriots 42.81%
14 Los Angeles Rams 42.27%
15 Carolina Panthers 41.69%
16 New York Giants 41.59%
17 San Francisco 49ers 41.33%
18 Washington Redskins 40.97%
19 Houston Texans 40.94%
20 Atlanta Falcons 39.06%
21 Philadelphia Eagles 39.01%
22 Arizona Cardinals 38.66%
23 Oakland Raiders 38.55%
24 Los Angeles Chargers 38.38%
25 Green Bay Packers 37.37%
26 Miami Dolphins 37.27%
27 Pittsburgh Steelers 37.14%
28 Tennessee Titans 36.43%
29 Kansas City Chiefs 35.71%
30 Seattle Seahawks 32.97%
31 Detroit Lions 32.11%
32 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 30.05%


It's time to stop confusing Bell's individual performance with actual effective use of the running back position or declaring him the piece that makes the offense work. Despite all of his accolades the Steelers are barely in the top half of Yards From Scrimmage for the position and solidly in the bottom third of yards generated from the RB position. Ben is what makes the offense work. Le'Veon Bell is a damn good running back who is overused and complete unnecessary. Plenty of teams in the league, including the two that just played for the Super Bowl, do a better job utilizing their RBs and generating offense from the RB position with low draft picks, undrafted free agents, and complete castoffs. Paying Bell anywhere near the amount of money he wants is a mistake.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:59 pm

I'm not making any claims about the 'running back position', I'm talking specifically about Bell.

He's a force multiplier. Having him and his ability to run inside or outside, and to line up as a flanker makes the other skill players on the field more dangerous.

Also note with Bell, we're talking about those numbers in the context of 15 GP. It's reasonable to presume that had he played Week 17 vs CLE those stats would look a bit different (the Steelers would undoubtedly have been a top 10 team in that first stat, possibly as high as 8 or even 7), and that would percolate across the other metrics.

The only player who had more yards from scrimmage this year was Todd Gurley (who also only played 15 games).

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:08 pm

The best RB in the league doesn't have more than a net-neutral impact on the team? Is that where this is headed? The Steelers record when he gets 25+ touches is like infinity and 0, and when he doesn't, they never win. I'm not saying he's the whole ball of wax, but there's few RBs, hell, there's few players that are as impactful in their offenses as Bell is in Pittsburgh. The dude is a wagon.

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Postby shmenguin » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:27 pm

The best RB in the league doesn't have more than a net-neutral impact on the team? Is that where this is headed? The Steelers record when he gets 25+ touches is like infinity and 0, and when he doesn't, they never win. I'm not saying he's the whole ball of wax, but there's few RBs, hell, there's few players that are as impactful in their offenses as Bell is in Pittsburgh. The dude is a wagon.
every time you give the ball to the league's best running back, you are taking it out of the hands of the league's best receiver and an increasingly capable #2 and #3. not to say this is apples to apples, but any RB slows down this offense.

i understand this needs more explanation/justification, but this is the starting point.

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:39 pm

I don't like the premise to start. Especially considering how much focus has to be paid to Bell (he's the best RB in the league) as a runner and as a receiver. Bell (and Brown, to be fair) are so effective that it allows Jesse James to screw up royally in big spots. On most teams, he would be easily covered by a DT...

I'm listening, but I don't like where you're going with this because it separates passing game from running game as if they are completely independent variables...

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:25 pm

An interesting thing happened to Antonio Brown once Le'Veon Bell arrived on the team. His average targets and receptions per game nearly doubled.

Hmm.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:08 pm

An interesting thing happened to Antonio Brown once Le'Veon Bell arrived on the team. His average targets and receptions per game nearly doubled.

Hmm.
Interestingly enough, that also coincides with Mike Wallace and Emmanuel Sanders leaving as well as Heath retiring

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Postby slappybrown » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:09 pm

I don't like the premise to start. Especially considering how much focus has to be paid to Bell (he's the best RB in the league) as a runner and as a receiver. Bell (and Brown, to be fair) are so effective that it allows Jesse James to screw up royally in big spots. On most teams, he would be easily covered by a DT...

I'm listening, but I don't like where you're going with this because it separates passing game from running game as if they are completely independent variables...
Thumbs up every time someone slams Jesse James particularly unprompted, that bum cost us a super bowl appearance imo

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:10 pm

Re AFC roadblocks.....
Okay let's put aside the competition for a second that you discredited. Regardless if I agree with you or not, sell me that the Colts are anywhere close to competing for a conference championship.

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Postby dodint » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:11 pm

Are the Colts even in the NFL or have they been relegated?

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:23 pm

Re AFC roadblocks.....
Okay let's put aside the competition for a second that you discredited. Regardless if I agree with you or not, sell me that the Colts are anywhere close to competing for a conference championship.
Look here
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The Colts are going to be a playoff team in 2018.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:26 pm

I'd sooner bet they'll finish last in the South

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Postby mikey » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:34 pm

@mikey

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:37 pm

Haha I'm not even trolling mikey. Obviously things change with a healthy Luck, but I just don't think they have many pieces there.

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