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Postby columbia » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:15 pm

Playing the Chargers, so approximately 1,037 people will see him in action. I'd like to.

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Postby mikey » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:15 pm

I'm not overly familiar with him, so I can't say if he's better/better fit than CK...I'll check him out...

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Postby skullman80 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:18 pm

As a pure pocket passer and general smarts between the ears.. Peterman is better than CK easily.

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Postby mikey » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:20 pm

That's how most of the NFL is...which what most of the NFL bases their schemes on...which is why I get confused why people are confused as to why CK doesn't have a job...he's bad AND expensive AND he comes with an easily bought-and-sold distraction...

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:21 pm

i've been told by podcast-level analysts that buffalo has been a promising team over the past couple years. i don't know what it will take for people to figure out that when you have no quarterback, you cannot win.
times have changed now
wait...is this a "in a passing league you can't win with trent dilfer anymore" or a "all QBs stink now so what does it matter"
it's a "Nathan Peterman is starting and they will be good" thing

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:29 pm

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:17 pm

I don't think anyone should entertain any argument being made that Nate Peterman is a better starting QB than Kaepernick right now.

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Postby mikey » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:21 pm

I'm not, I'm going to watch J.Peterman play first...then I'll probably come to that conclusion...

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Postby skullman80 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:13 pm

I don't think anyone should entertain any argument being made that Nate Peterman is a better starting QB than Kaepernick right now.
I just think it comes down to that the marginal upgrade you would get in signing a guy like Kaep isn't worth all the extra baggage he brings to your team. Kaep is not good. At all. Once the league figured him out he did nothing to adapt and make himself better. He can't read defenses, he has one throw speed(bullet) and is just ... average at the very best, below average is probably a better description.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:33 pm

As a novelty, he was pretty incredible for like 14 games.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:42 pm

As a novelty, he was pretty incredible for like 14 games.
http://www.nfl.com/player/colinkaeperni ... areerstats

He obviously had some serious limitations as a passer with his inability to complete over 60% of his throws. But that's a completion percentage that Wentz and Broeth are operating at this year.

I guess I'm of the opinion that there's a lot of revisionist history being told about this guy. He was definitely a big part of the 49'ers becoming a dumpster fire, but he wasn't the only reason.

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Postby skullman80 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

I'm a 49ers fan. I watched every game he played. He never developed past a one read passer. The team got bad his last year or two but he was really really bad when he actually had to be a QB and read defenses and not run the read option.

I defended him early on, but he got really bad his last year or two. Really really really bad.
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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:48 pm

If the game were played on a stat sheet, maybe he'd have a job.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:02 pm

He's definitely a guy that needed to be coached up, I suppose that I think there are other ways to weigh his performances (early career success and recent struggles) that put him in a more favorable light. Especially with whatever the hell happened there with Harbaugh leaving in 2014 and then them having new coaches in 2015 and 2016.

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Postby NailedPenguin » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:05 pm

I'm not sure why it did, but the Bills QB news triggered my brain into remembering they drafted EJ Manual 16. Did he ever play in a game for them?

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:08 pm

He was the on-and-off starter for them for like four years.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:13 pm

I also want to sort of asterisk my last posts. I only play amateur scout in relation to Roethlisberger, I'm trying to dispute the notion of Kaepernick being objectively bad and not worthy of a QB job. I think it's clearly arguable that he's not good enough to warrant the baggage that comes with him. So to phrase his current status as being independent of his protests is false IMO.

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Postby Nuge » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:19 pm

The Bills list of recent quarterbacks is interesting. J. P. Losman didn't quite put up the numbers that his 2004 first-round counterparts have.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:23 pm

I don't think anyone has made the claim that his lack of employment is independent of his protests. The argument is that he's not talented enough the make the baggage worth the effort. If Kaep had a top 10 or 12 arm, he'd have been signed the day he opted out of his 9ers deal.

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Postby dodint » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:32 pm

I wish someone would just hire him so we can all see him fall on his face (again) and then quietly, QUIETLY, flush him out of the league.

See: Michael Sam.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:21 pm

Zeke Elliott has dropped his appeal and will serve the balance of his suspension.

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Postby mikey » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:35 pm

You'd wish for the "Citizen of the Year" to fail...? How dare you...


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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:00 am

Jerry Jones' one man crusade against Goodell :lol: It's no secret other NFL owners hate him too.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2142 ... tal-league

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Postby NTP66 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:20 am

Zeke Elliott has dropped his appeal and will serve the balance of his suspension.
How many games has he missed thus far? Just one or two? He's a dope for just not getting it over with early on, because there's a good chance that his absence late in the season will cost them a playoff berth.

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