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Postby tifosi77 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:35 pm

Zanardi won the first ever motor race I attended ('98 Long Beach), and will always be a hero to me.

In my lifetime of watching motor racing, I can think of three accidents off the top of my head where I thought "I just watched someone die" immediately upon seeing the incident live. Legge, Kubica, and Zanardi. That Mr Pineapple was the only one to come out of those respective shunts with lasting injuries is nothing short of amazing to me.

When you think about the single-seater fatalities that have happened in the last, say, ten years, they have pretty much all been some pretty crazy circumstances. Guys riding catch fencing for 100 yards, or having a wing fall on their head, or getting nearly decapitated by a tractor. When you think back to something as relatively pedestrian in its dynamics like Senna's crash at Imola, remembering that that wasn't even the biggest accident of that weekend..... I mean, this is a crazy sport. The things drivers can get themselves into (and more importantly out of) is just extraordinary.

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Postby dodint » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:37 pm

He lost is professional ride in a combination of Doran shuttering their GT team and Nissan dropping support for almost all racing globally. Despite him still doing some publicity work for Gran Turismo, the GT Academy backed seats have been going to the winner from Mexico because he brings independent sponsorship dollars with him. Basically, BH has a bucket full of talent and no backing. Even from the contest that was supposed to give that exact person a ride.

He's making money by coaching. Just the other day he was saying how much faster than Huracan Performante is relative to a Cayman GT4, both of which he was instructing in on the same day last week. Rough. ;)

I'm trying to coax him out to Topeka this summer but it's more likely he'll do NTT at Thunderhill.

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Postby CBear3 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:42 pm

Kinda had that talk with my son on Saturday.
He cheers for Hinch (#5 back when he was 5 years old and old enough to start cheering for somebody). Well last year's 500 we cheered for Wickens, instead.
So Saturday when he asked if his new driver was racing in this, I tried to explain to him what all went down. Then when Zanardi got in the car I tried to explain what a big deal it is that he's back racing. It sort of made being a racecar driver sound extremely dumb :)

My oldest wanted to be racecar driver right up until she saw the Dixon high flying crash at Indy live in front of her. I'm surprised she got in the car to go home after that.

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Postby tifosi77 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:05 pm

Settling in with the official NBC Sports wrap up of Daytona. Sam Posey sounds like he's 300 years old. :(

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Postby dodint » Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:15 pm

Yup.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:01 pm

My god, this just occurred to me.......

I've long felt that the absolute best commentary team in the world of motor racing would be to have Steve Matchett paired up with Martin Brundle. It would be extraordinary.

But..............

........could you imagine pairing Darrell Waltrip and Murray Walker?????

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:10 pm

Murray Walker's book is fantastic reading. He and DW would be magical.

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:29 pm

I always liked to seek out his commentary from Spa every year. Always a good "I first came here in a tank" story. He's a treasure, to be sure.

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Postby dodint » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:27 pm

Brendon Hartley did a Players Tribune piece: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us ... ula-1-2019

:(

The racing forum I've been a part of for the last 21 years has a sizeable NZ component so I followed him a little closer than I would have a normal backmarker.

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Postby dodint » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:05 pm

Sauber F1 team renamed Alfa Romeo Racing
Alfa's title sponsorship of Sauber last year marked its first major F1 involvement since the 1985 season.
That partnership was always intended to expand onto a technical front to enable Alfa, part of the Fiat group that includes Ferrari, to become more actively involved.
The team will be entered into the 2019 world championship as Alfa Romeo Racing, effectively reviving the works entry that won the inaugural F1 titles in 1950 and 1951.
https://ca.motorsport.com/f1/news/saube ... g/4331469/
It's weird not seeing Sauber among the team names anymore. They were BMW Sauber when I began watching; that ended as BMW Sauber Ferrari in 2011.

I'd rather see a constructor name up there anyway, even if it is basically a sticker package like Infiniti Red Bull was. I suspect this Alfa Romeo effort is a little more substantial though.

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Postby CBear3 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:09 pm

It's the Ferrari Jr team.
I can't believe people's heads didn't explode when TR said they would take early grid penalties to help Honda develop their engine faster so that Red Bull wouldn't have to.

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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:59 pm

This is the sport we follow. Grid penalties for reliability reasons are just extraordinarily lame brained imo. The underlying reason for them is no less stupid, also imo.

That said, the historical fan in me loves seeing the Alfa name back in Grand Prix racing.

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Postby dodint » Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:02 pm

Same, to your last point.

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Postby dodint » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:53 pm

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:50 am

I always like Alpha Romeo's they run on Top Gear/The Grand Tour. /csb

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Postby tifosi77 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:09 pm

IndyCar plans to use COTA's F1 configuration

It'll be I think a 59-lap race (F1 road races are a bit shorter than IndyCar), and they'll be well into the 1m40s in laptime. (They may be 2.5-3 secs off before the end of the first sector, thanks to the esses.) If that's the case, they'll only have around 15-16 minutes to accommodate any cautions within a 2-hour broadcast window. If that average lap speed is more like 1:45, that will knock closer to five minutes off that window. That's pretty tight.

That said, Tif + math = lol
Boy howdy did I get this wrong..........



I didn't see the timing results from the IndyCar October test, where Rossi did a 1m47s-something. But this side-by-side indicates a 1m50s laptime...! That's 18 seconds off F1 pace overall, more than 1 second off the pace exiting the frickin' first corner, and over 5 seconds down by the first timing sector.

Granted we're comparing F1 qualifying to IC testing, but if that is representative of the pace differential in race trim then they are facing real pressure to complete a race distance in 2 hours with only a single caution period.

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Postby tifosi77 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:11 pm

I always like Alpha Romeo's they run on Top Gear/The Grand Tour. /csb
:thumb:

One of my all-time favorite TG films is when they have to buy old Alfas and prepare them for a concourse. Particularly fond of the cheese on May's engine.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:14 pm

There is an Alpha Romeo dealership in Charlotte that I check out online every now and then. You can get a new Stelvio for like $40k.

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Postby dodint » Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:34 pm

Indycar with their new cockpit safety measure:

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It's the little bolt-on piece ahead of the cockpit opening, with the brass topper on it.

This is about as close to a halo as they can get. An actual halo doesn't work with this chassis, and they don't work in practice because it obscures the view in ovals.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:08 pm

Without wanting to sound flippant, what is the actual point of that thing?

Don't get me wrong, I'm anti-Halo as it is. But that's almost insulting.

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Postby CBear3 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:23 pm

Structurally it has to pass the same test as the roll hoop, so while it looks unimpressive its at least strong.

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Postby dodint » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:33 pm

It might've deflected the nose cone that killed Wilson. I don't know, I'd have to go back and rewatch the trajectory of it and I don't want to.

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Postby tifosi77 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:47 pm

I thought in the Wilson mishap the wing sorta came straight down on him a la Norden bombsight.

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Postby dodint » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:48 pm

Yeah, same. I'll check later.

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