Browns at Steelers - Week 18

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:35 pm

Tomlin had 3 seasons without HOF-Ben: when he got injured, his final season and this season. He managed to make the playoffs in two of them and one Skylar Thompson win away from 3/3. He’s proven he can do it without Ben while Belichick hasn’t proven he can do it without Brady

Postby **tifosi77** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:38 pm

These last few pages have been tremendously funny.

Postby **dodint** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:39 pm

They went 11-5 in the Matt Cassel year.

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:40 pm

Although I will say, no one tanks better than the Pens. We’re due for about a 4 year slump/total rebuild and snag a couple generational talents to lead the team to a cup.

I’m emotionally not prepared for it. The last time we had a dip the franchise was a few bad decisions away from being relocated. It’s crazy how it’s either we’re perennial contenders or on the verge of folding as a franchise in the last 30 years.

Postby **tifosi77** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:45 pm

They went 11-5 in the Matt Cassel year.

And missed the playoffs iirc.

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:51 pm

They went 11-5 in the Matt Cassel year.

he has an overall losing record without Brady (including his Browns years). Tomlin is now 27-23-1 without Ben as well as went 9-7 in Ben’s final year which was very subpar for him

Postby **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:52 pm

all I’m saying is I think Tomlin is the best coach in the league. Flawed yes but I think he’s the most consistent.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:18 pm

Canada fired yet?

Postby **DigitalGypsy66** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:26 pm

Canada fired yet?

I had a couple of app notifications that I hoped was that news... Not yet.

Postby **King Colby** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:02 pm

They went 11-5 in the Matt Cassel year.
he has an overall losing record without Brady (including his Browns years). Tomlin is now 27-23-1 without Ben as well as went 9-7 in Ben’s final year which was very subpar for him

And yet, that season was tied for only the 5th worst of the "streak"

Postby **willeyeam** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:22 pm

Here's the thing with the streak and first round exits. Other teams have a bad year and go 6-10 or I guess 6-11 now. Tomlin's bad years have been 9-8ish and a first round exit. Of course some first round exits were upsets that they should have won too, not to sugarcoat it too much. But I'm okay with our "bad" years being what they've been

Postby **willeyeam** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:24 pm

Anyway, playoff criticism of Tomlin is valid. But fire him after last year if that's fireable, what he did this year was great coaching imo and is a positive spot in his resume

Postby **King Colby** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:32 pm

He deserves to be here next year

Postby **meow** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:42 pm

Tomlin is a rah-rah guy. He’s not an X and O guy. He needs good X and O coaches around him. He’s rarely been the problem with the team during his tenure here.

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:16 pm

Tomlin is a rah-rah guy. He’s not an X and O guy. He needs good X and O coaches around him. He’s rarely been the problem with the team during his tenure here.

I generally agree with this statement. However he hasn't really surrounded himself with good X and O guys at the coordinator position since, one could argue, LeBeau and (maybe?) Haley...
Also, the drafting has been horrific. He's got to take some blame for this. The reason he's been middle of the road so far is a large chunk of his draft picks simply haven't panned out.
Lastly the in game stuff, like timeouts and challenges, if he's the rah rah guy he needs a designated person for this. Because he ain't him

Postby **willeyeam** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:20 pm

Last year is one of the best drafts anyone has had in a long time

Postby **willeyeam** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:27 pm

They had some stinkers though before that

Postby **mac5155** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:34 pm

I don't count last year's draft in my statement. I mean with KSP it is likely to end up being better than 1974.

Postby **willeyeam** » Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:08 pm

Good point

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:29 am

Honestly, I think Tomlin goes on the hot seat after the next playoff loss if they don't win another one soon.

He did a ton with a little this year, I'll give him that, but I'm more worried about the playoffs, and he doesn't show up well there. Doing just enough to squeak in and get wrecked, or do good and get upset in the first game, is not a positive note.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:36 am

I don't count last year's draft in my statement. I mean with KSP it is likely to end up being better than 1974.

I am not sure how it could end up being better than a draft with 4 hall of famers

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:42 am

I don't count last year's draft in my statement. I mean with KSP it is likely to end up being better than 1974.
I am not sure how it could end up being better than a draft with 4 hall of famers

I assumed sarcasm and I moved on lol

Postby **willeyeam** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:43 am

Postby **robbiestoupe** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:56 am

Honestly, I think Tomlin goes on the hot seat after the next playoff loss if they don't win another one soon.

He did a ton with a little this year, I'll give him that, but I'm more worried about the playoffs, and he doesn't show up well there. Doing just enough to squeak in and get wrecked, or do good and get upset in the first game, is not a positive note.

This may well be what happens. Most of us (and probably Steeler brass) understand that Tomlin's record had a lot to do with Ben. If he can prove that he can rebuild and win without him, that will buy him more slack. But if continues to stall in the playoffs, that won't be enough.

But you have to remember people wanted Cowher out of here back in 2001 after faltering in the regular season. They also said he couldn't win the big game, which was true at the time. In the end he was something like 2-4 in AFCCG, all but one of them home games. The year they won the SB it was on the road.

Postby **Morkle** » Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:58 am

Honestly, I think Tomlin goes on the hot seat after the next playoff loss if they don't win another one soon.

He did a ton with a little this year, I'll give him that, but I'm more worried about the playoffs, and he doesn't show up well there. Doing just enough to squeak in and get wrecked, or do good and get upset in the first game, is not a positive note.
This may well be what happens. Most of us (and probably Steeler brass) understand that Tomlin's record had a lot to do with Ben. If he can prove that he can rebuild and win without him, that will buy him more slack. But if continues to stall in the playoffs, that won't be enough.

But you have to remember people wanted Cowher out of here back in 2001 after faltering in the regular season. They also said he couldn't win the big game, which was true at the time. In the end he was something like 2-4 in AFCCG, all but one of them home games. The year they won the SB it was on the road.

I think the large difference, when you want to talk about fan expectations. Fans back then had expectations of making and winning the Super Bowl every year.

Now, we're talking about fan's expectations being spoiled when just winning the regular season isn't enough.

I'd much prefer fans come to the realization that either the expectation is Super Bowls, or the expectations is "just happy to be here."

But one side needs to break lol.