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Postby LeopardLetang » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:13 am

I loved my v6 luxury 03 sonata no lie

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Postby robbiestoupe » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:23 am

I've got an 06 Hyundai sonata with 20k miles if anyone wants to DM me about all the luxuries
If it has A/C then it's a luxury car.
It also has something called a CD player which I don't believe is a thing anymore. The kids love all the giant cases filled with hundreds of these compact discs in the backseat taking up all the spacious leg room.
Oh, a classic car!
Yes! And get this, they even have this lever called an ebrake rather than a button and it's terrific for doing car tricks in the snow
I have an '03 Camry that had a tape player, but upgraded with a CD mod kit when the radio died. Also has the ebrake and even has overdrive!

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Postby robbiestoupe » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:49 pm

I have some friends that did similar stupid investing in the past couple years. Got heavy into cryptocurrency, made a ton, one guy put a lot of his 401k into it, then they all got burned.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:52 pm

Tesla is basically in a field of its own, because there's really not much of an EV market to compare to. I think that's how it should be judged, as you can't really say this battery powered, electric motor is luxurious compared to this 3.5L 325HP ICE. Apples to oranges. You could judge the interior, but there's more to a car than just the shiny toys on the inside and outside.
I don't think it's apples to oranges, I think of it more like Gala to Fuji to Granny Smith. In fact, I would say that the biggest stumbling block EVs still face in today's market is the self-imposed 'othering' of EVs. From styling, to model naming conventions, to marketing...... I am not going to use the thing any differently than I do a gas-powered car, why try to sell it to consumers as this markedly different thing? Just make a good car, and instead of the ICE and transmission, load it up with batteries and such. And away we go.

They're in competition for the same consumer dollars for vehicles that do the same jobs. In order for an EV to be any good, it must first be good at the V part. The E is just how its powered. If in delivering all the stuff that comes with being an E car makes all the rest of it suck, then that's valid to point out in comparison to non-E options.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:59 pm

The Tesla S and X are for sure what I would call 'luxury' cars. Their comps are cars like the Mercedes EQS and Porsche Taycans; the SUV segment eludes me so I don't really know what a valid model-to-model comp would be for an X. Tesla still has the Apple ethos of positioning themselves as a lifestyle brand as much as a car company, and so they carry a premium price. But a fully specced out P100D of either stripe is legitimately a $150k car imo.

The 3 is very much a fair-to-middlin affair, and I have always thought they were massively overpriced, even at their initial target price which they never came within a belly laugh of delivering. The 3 started its life as "oooh, I'm a less expensive Tesla!", and beyond that doesn't really offer much. Putting the EV aspect of it aside (because an EV must, first and foremost, be good at being a 'V' for anyone to care about the 'E' part), I'd rather have my Mazda3 than a Tesla 3.

To be clear here: They aren't bad cars, by any means. These aren't like gen-1 Priuses.

The 3 and Y have become completely ubiquitous where I live, as common as equivalent BMW, Merc, Lexus, etc models. After that in popularity would be the S, and the X is still somewhat rare. Sightings, generally, in my neighborhood have skyrocketed in the last year because they just opened a Supercharger in the plaza where I do a lot of our grocery shopping. It was not unusual for me to see 20 or more Teslas in the 6-mile round trip to that center before that, now there's also all the vehicles parked and charging.

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Postby robbiestoupe » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:08 pm

The original beef was with Tesla selling more vehicles in a completely arbitrary category. There's probably a category for best selling coupe, sedan, SUV, truck, van, hatchback, economy, budget, and on and on. Just make a new category: EV's.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:26 pm

the dumb door handles on Teslas are enough for me to not consider them luxury. Whenever a Uber picks me up and it’s a Tesla I spend at least 15 seconds trying to open the stupid ****

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:36 pm

Are you sure this isn't a case of user error?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:40 pm

It’s the designers fault if it’s not idiot proof

source: am Software engineer

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:44 pm

Yeah, that's a vehicular PEBKAC error.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:49 pm

I mean, it's not like every time a Tesla rolls up on you they've switched the way the door handles work. That strikes me as a very Three Seashells type of complaint.

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Postby count2infinity » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:53 pm

What's the old saying about the "bear proof" garbage can design in Yellowstone? I think it goes something like "There's a lot of overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest humans." Or something to that respect.

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Postby dodint » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:56 pm

And of course the person causing the traffic issue sustains the least amount of damage, per usual.

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Postby nocera » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:57 pm

What happens when there's ice on the door?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:59 pm

I mean, it's not like every time a Tesla rolls up on you they've switched the way the door handles work. That strikes me as a very Three Seashells type of complaint.
I've ridden in a Tesla...four times in my life? it's something that doesn't happen often but has happened twice in the last couple of months and my monkey brain was getting annoyed

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Postby nocera » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:02 pm

Don't feel bad. It's a stupid form over function design.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:35 pm

What happens when there's ice on the door?
I would imagine it feels cold.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:37 pm

But seriously, my Nest doorbell stops working when it gets too cold; thing completely drops WiFi and has to be restarted (when it's warmer). That's stupid.

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Postby nocera » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:39 pm

Incorrect, Cali man. If the handle is frozen shut, you have to update your software, then go to the app, tap and hold an icon to customize the controls, add the "unlatch door" icon, then tap the icon to open the door.

I guess it's not too difficult once you update the software and set up the app, but having to use an app to open your door is stupid.

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Postby NTP66 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:58 pm

But seriously, my Nest doorbell stops working when it gets too cold; thing completely drops WiFi and has to be restarted (when it's warmer). That's stupid.
Should have bought a higher quality - luxury, even - doorbell. My Ring has literally been covered in ice and worked perfectly fine.

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Postby skullman80 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:59 pm

But seriously, my Nest doorbell stops working when it gets too cold; thing completely drops WiFi and has to be restarted (when it's warmer). That's stupid.
Should have bought a higher quality - luxury, even - doorbell. My Ring has literally been covered in ice and worked perfectly fine.
I legit :lol:

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Postby Kane » Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:59 pm

We have two sub $50 doorbells and they both worked no problem when it was -5°. Git gud.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:06 pm

My Ring has literally been covered in ice and worked perfectly fine.
Pardon, it's just been like my entire adult life since I've laid eyes on weather related ice, so this is a very funny concept to me.

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