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Postby Faftorial » Tue Feb 02, 2021 9:02 pm

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:17 am

Unfortunately I feel like Bob Ryan is bemused and doesn’t understand how to use twitter

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Wed Feb 03, 2021 8:56 am

A Boston sportswriter voting for a Red Sox World Series hero for the Hall of Fame? Madness.

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Postby MWB » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:30 am

Listened to a Bob Ryan interview this morning. He said it’s unlikely Schilling will get in through the veterans committee either. I guess there was a straw poll of some current HOF players and the consensus is he shouldn’t be in. Obviously that view could change a bit over the next few years.

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Postby dodint » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:48 am

Are you a Little? If so that makes three of us that I know of.

The connective tissue...

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Postby MWB » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:35 am

Yes, have been for years. Always top of my podcast list.

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Postby willeyeam » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:01 pm

Bauer to LAD. Hell yes let's break baseball

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Postby willeyeam » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:24 pm

Good. Ruin it

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Postby Troy Loney » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:49 pm

Why did Cleveland decide to not try?

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Postby willeyeam » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:36 pm

Pedro Gomez died. Damn.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Mon Feb 08, 2021 1:02 am

Said it in the RIP thread but I remember him specifically reporting on the Bonds record setting era, which is relatively significant (home run record is likely the biggest record in all of sports)

Even if Bonds wasn’t clean (he wasn’t), Gomez’ reporting on it was great

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:02 pm

Moving this from the TIL thread but tif’s post in there got me thinking about why pitchers moved away from throwing as many innings as they used to

I’ve always assumed (and maybe heard) that it’s to help avoid injuries, and I’ll admit I’m too young to have followed baseball at all before 2000, but hearing stories about old pitchers who knocked 20 wins every season and 300 total wins and throwing 74 complete games in a row make me question how true the injury thing is. Maybe those are the pitchers who got lucky and avoided devastating arm injuries and most pitchers got hurt often but I’ve never really heard of that before

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:15 pm

There's a host of reasons. They throw harder, more violent breaking balls etc. They're probably not as tough as they used to make em. It was the norm. Imagine being the first guy to ask to pitch every fifth day

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:16 pm

Bob Walk says it has a lot to do with the fact pitchers are already wore out by the time they get to the majors from year round travel ball and lack of rest.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:20 pm

He also said it comes from too much strength training.

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Postby MR25 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:40 pm

There's a host of reasons. They throw harder, more violent breaking balls etc. They're probably not as tough as they used to make em. It was the norm. Imagine being the first guy to ask to pitch every fifth day

The first part is my theory too. A lot of the old guys just look like their mechanics are just so smooth and they're going for efficiency of motion rather than "going to throw this as hard as possible".

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Tue Feb 09, 2021 8:55 pm

Back when cole was a pirate, he speculated that one of the reasons he was much healthier than a lot of other guys was that he could throw gas without putting in much effort. He recalled showcases where everyone there would be throwing as hard as possible so they could get noticed by scouts. Obviously that kind of attitude is going to end up with some very messed up arms. Cole is a d-bag but he has a good point in this case.

On a sidebar, Spahn struck out 2 guys in 15 innings and Marichal struck out 10 in 15 innings. Nowadays, the going rate is one K an inning.

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:04 pm

well if they all could throw 100 without any effort they'd be on their way to the HOF too

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:06 pm

When did they start gauging pitching speed?

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Postby dodint » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:11 pm

With a radar gun? 1975.

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Postby MWB » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:20 pm

I think it’s a combination of what people have already said. The biggest thing is probably the violence with which pitchers throw. I don’t know how cy young pitched, but I imagine his mechanics weren’t fine tuned to torque his body in a way to produce the highest velocity. Pitching is completely unnatural, and ramping that to the most extreme extent can’t be good. The year round pitching from a young age is probably a close second.

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Postby MWB » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:23 pm

When did they start gauging pitching speed?
Apparently 1912:
http://scoutee.co/the-historic-quest-fo ... -baseball/

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Feb 09, 2021 10:44 pm

I wonder how much pitch movement has changed too. Like, how much does a Kershaw slider move compared to a Spahn slider

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Postby MWB » Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:08 pm

I would think in general the movement is much better, just because the level of teaching has gone up. But probably some specific players have movement that was just as good as the best today.

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