MLB

[willeyeam]

Slim margins lol. I think Nutting has taken in more profit sharing than the total payroll expense

[NAN]

DK keeps believing there will be a salary cap.

I'd bet a lot of money that will not be the case. He is a goof with this crap.

[Troy Loney]

There is not going to be a cap

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

why are the players against revenue sharing?

[King Colby]

Dejan #OurTeamNotHis Kovacevic

[King Colby]

why are the players against revenue sharing?

They believe it disincentivizes the pirates and Orioles from being competitive which leads to $31M payrolls which therefore costs the players money

[Troy Loney]

And they want the big spending teams to keep their money and spend it on players

[faftorial]

I'm not pro owner but f' the player's union.

[Shyster]

I think MLB should be split into two leagues with a three-team promotion/relegation scheme like English soccer. Let the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, etc. of the world have a, say, 12-team premier league to play in, and everyone else gets a second league.

[faftorial]

If a floor is set, what would it be? I would hope at least $100mm. That would add lots of money to the salary pool.

[King Colby]

Too high, theyd have to subsidize that by juicing up revenue sharing even more or else the pirates, Orioles, Rays, etc would go under

[dodint]

Good outcome, then?

[King Colby]

Slim margins lol. I think Nutting has taken in more profit sharing than the total payroll expense

The margins are really tight. But the issue is he's too risk averse. Theoretically more expenses begets more revenue through a better team. We saw that from 2013-2016. It worked. But as has been said, there's a time to push your risk tolerance. 2022 ain't it, but 2016 sure as **** was.

[faftorial]

Slim margins lol. I think Nutting has taken in more profit sharing than the total payroll expense

The margins are really tight. But the issue is he's too risk averse. Theoretically more expenses begets more revenue through a better team. We saw that from 2013-2016. It worked. But as has been said, there's a time to push your risk tolerance. 2022 ain't it, but 2016 sure as **** was.

Do you work for the Pirates or-gan-iz-ation?

[faftorial]

MLB could make a mint in Pgh.

[DigitalGypsy66]

This is an interesting read, especially about some of the other teams' finances: https://www.dkpittsburghsports.com/2021 ... ary-cap-dk

(It should be open to all right now)

[MWB]

That's a good read. One thing I take issue with though is that part of his premise seems to be that a salary cap will fix waning interest in the sport. That's a product issue more than a finance issue, IMO.

[Dickie Dunn]

That parking **** is nuts.

[LeopardLetang]

Yeah that parking. I had to double check that. So it's mostly blamed on the rich union board members mucking it up

[Troy Loney]

Are we upset that the Pirates aren't given the parking income from the stadium the city built for them?

[Dickie Dunn]

I ran that by my buddy with the Marlins and he said the they own the parking lots around their stadium but because their attendance is so shitty it’s actually another losing investment for them lol

[DigitalGypsy66]

Are we upset that the Pirates aren't given the parking income from the stadium the city built for them?

No, I'm not. It's just showing the revenue imbalance between teams. Dodger Stadium was built in (what I assume) was an underdeveloped part of LA; PNC Park is newer and in an already developed area. The Pirates don't have the option to buy the land around the stadium for parking or development.

[Orlando Penguin]

MLB could make a mint in Pgh.

It's frustrating that baseball cities like Pittsburgh and Baltimore have such terrible products because if they had winners or even contenders there, those great stadiums would be filled and both franchises would roll in the money. Both cities are starving for a baseball winner and as we saw the Pirates WC runs and the Orioles run 5-6 years ago, they won't have a problem filling the seats.

[Troy Loney]

MLB could make a mint in Pgh.

It's frustrating that baseball cities like Pittsburgh and Baltimore have such terrible products because if they had winners or even contenders there, those great stadiums would be filled and both franchises would roll in the money. Both cities are starving for a baseball winner and as we saw the Pirates WC runs and the Orioles run 5-6 years ago, they won't have a problem filling the seats.

These teams (Orioles, Pirates, Indians) all want to be the Rays/A's (teams that compete with no payroll), and not the Brewers or Reds (mid-market teams that spend money). To me, it's garbage, the Rays and A's play in **** holes, the cheap mid-market teams named all play in nice, publicly funded stadiums.

It's all very infuriating, there's a clear path for these basement teams to spend money to increase revenues, but they're all perfectly being indefinitely terrible, because they can be profitable while not getting any fans to the games. So I think that does support the player's argument about cutting revenue sharing (make the teams work for revenue). But, the existing collective revenue is probably enough to still support the no payroll/no attendance rebuilds. And, It's not like the 10-20mm revenue sharing checks the Pirates get each year makes a big difference.

[Dickie Dunn]

Pirates got $40MM in revenue sharing for the 2021 season. Any improvement in performance and revenue generation ends up being a net loss for Nutting. Improving the team costs him money while increasing revenues drops the revenue sharing amount given to the team. Status quo generates profits with zero effort.