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Postby willeyeam » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:54 pm

Let's goooo

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Postby shafnutz05 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:45 pm

Holy ****... He's 31

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Postby Beveridge » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:15 am

I remember seeing him pitch his first "pro" game in Altoona.

/csb

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:22 am

I remember seeing him pitch his first "pro" game in Altoona.

/csb
i was also at that game. it was crowded

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:41 am

Delwyn Young homered off him in his MLB debut #neverforget

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Postby LeopardLetang » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:03 am

I remember seeing him pitch his first "pro" game in Altoona.

/csb
i was also at that game. it was crowded
Twas also attending

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:09 am

9 years $324 million for Cole

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Postby mac5155 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:22 am

Gonna enroll my 15 month old in pitching camps next week.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:31 am

Hot take: Cole is not worth 9 years $324 million

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:32 am

if he doesn't pitch well next year it will be very tasty watching him pout when the NY media gets on him

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:39 am

I wish I could dig up the article from his last season as a Pirate where he basically said "its really hard to be really good at pitching all the time and it would be nice if I was as good as Kershaw but gee whiz it is hard"

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Postby LITT » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:42 am

there are very few permutations of the next 9 years that dont end in cole being run out of town. having said that, happy for him and dude went from baseball purgatory to a centimillionaire so i think hes doing ok

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:43 am

Found it. What a little beotch:
Compare, for a moment, two different images of Gerrit Cole on the Citizens Bank Park mound Wednesday night.

First, the early version, the portion of the evening where he received a visit from his pitching coach after 10 batters and five outs, down 2-0, his catcher castigating the home plate umpire. Contrast that with the bottom of the sixth, when he threw an outside changeup good enough that Andres Blanco threw his bat as he flailed at it, still reaching 99 mph on his 112th pitch of the evening. This contradiction, on display in a 5-2 Pirates victory against the Philadelphia Phillies, illustrates what Cole can be when he is right and what he has done at times this season.

“Ideally we’d all like to pitch like Clayton Kershaw every night, but we’re just not all Clayton Kershaw,” Cole said. “As a starter your main job is to get deep in the ballgame and keep your team in the game, so I definitely take a lot of pride in that.”
it is one thing to say that to bill brink. I hope he says something like that in NYC

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:21 am

Hot take: Cole is not worth 9 years $324 million
The contract won't age well, but no contract like that ever can. The Yankees have won a single World Series in the past 19 years, so if he's able to help them snag a championship or two over the next couple years it'll ultimately be a win for him. Nobody other than Jeter last 9 years in that market though.

While the Cole contract is ridiculous and local talking heads will want to talk about it's indicative of a system that gives small market scrub teams like the Pirates little opportunity to compete, the contract they should really be looking at is Jordan Lyles signing with Texas: 2 years, $16MM and turned down offers from the White Sox, Blue Jays, Brewers, and Twins. A career of mediocrity generates a bidding war for a back of the rotation starter that nets an annual salary that would make Lyles the fourth most expensive free agent signing in Pirates history, behind Liriano, Nova, and Martin. That's the bullet that the Pirates have to be willing to bite and it's only possible with a payroll significantly higher than what they're willing to operate with. Yes they have to draft better and develop better, but you have to be willing to fill out your roster with proven major league players, not just reclamation projects, and even the most mediocre proven players cost money.

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Postby MWB » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:24 am

Hot take: Cole is not worth 9 years $324 million
The contract won't age well, but no contract like that ever can. The Yankees have won a single World Series in the past 19 years, so if he's able to help them snag a championship or two over the next couple years it'll ultimately be a win for him. Nobody other than Jeter last 9 years in that market though.
This. Is it too many years? Yes, but if they had to do it to sign him, so be it. This move fills the need they had.

Will he last 9 years? Won’t know for a little while, obviously. The most recent comp is Sabathia, and he did. His numbers dropped after the first four years, but he helped them win a title. If Cole gives them 4-5 great seasons it is definitely worth it, regardless of what happens the rest of the deal.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:36 am

Talk about a power shift in the AL. The Astros lose their best pitcher to the Yankees and will have to stop doing at least one of their cheating practices.

I'd say for 2020 and 2021 the Yankees will be AL front runners, outside of that, it's tough to say what their bullpen will be.

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Postby MWB » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:39 am

Found it. What a little beotch:
Compare, for a moment, two different images of Gerrit Cole on the Citizens Bank Park mound Wednesday night.

First, the early version, the portion of the evening where he received a visit from his pitching coach after 10 batters and five outs, down 2-0, his catcher castigating the home plate umpire. Contrast that with the bottom of the sixth, when he threw an outside changeup good enough that Andres Blanco threw his bat as he flailed at it, still reaching 99 mph on his 112th pitch of the evening. This contradiction, on display in a 5-2 Pirates victory against the Philadelphia Phillies, illustrates what Cole can be when he is right and what he has done at times this season.

“Ideally we’d all like to pitch like Clayton Kershaw every night, but we’re just not all Clayton Kershaw,” Cole said. “As a starter your main job is to get deep in the ballgame and keep your team in the game, so I definitely take a lot of pride in that.”
it is one thing to say that to bill brink. I hope he says something like that in NYC
I’m not getting what is wrong with what he said.

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Postby Beveridge » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:07 am

I think there is an opt out after 5. I view this as a 5 year contract because unless he nosedives, he will opt out.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:12 am

Found it. What a little beotch:
Compare, for a moment, two different images of Gerrit Cole on the Citizens Bank Park mound Wednesday night.

First, the early version, the portion of the evening where he received a visit from his pitching coach after 10 batters and five outs, down 2-0, his catcher castigating the home plate umpire. Contrast that with the bottom of the sixth, when he threw an outside changeup good enough that Andres Blanco threw his bat as he flailed at it, still reaching 99 mph on his 112th pitch of the evening. This contradiction, on display in a 5-2 Pirates victory against the Philadelphia Phillies, illustrates what Cole can be when he is right and what he has done at times this season.

“Ideally we’d all like to pitch like Clayton Kershaw every night, but we’re just not all Clayton Kershaw,” Cole said. “As a starter your main job is to get deep in the ballgame and keep your team in the game, so I definitely take a lot of pride in that.”
it is one thing to say that to bill brink. I hope he says something like that in NYC
I’m not getting what is wrong with what he said.
Me, a Yankees fan if he gives that quote:

You get paid more than Kershaw you dumb **** figure it out

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:25 am

You also have to understand the context of the situation:

That was during the 2017 season. On the date of that quote, the pirates were 39-46. Cole whined earlier in the season because he was in arbitration but only got a modest raise because that is what happens during the early years of arbitration. on the date of that quote, cole had a 4.43 era and was obviously not performing to his potential.

So yeah, when you are supposed to be the workhorse ace of a team coming off a losing season and well on its way to another losing season while also dodinting about your salary, you should not say sht like that.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:32 am

I think there is an opt out after 5. I view this as a 5 year contract because unless he nosedives, he will opt out.
Indeed. No trade clause and a player-opt out after 2024, when Cole will be 33.

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Postby MWB » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:16 pm

If he says that now, after what he’s done and how he’s getting paid, then yes, I could see it as a problem. Looking at it from the current perspective, doesn’t see like a big deal.

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