MLB

[Dickie Dunn]

Marlins actively shopping Stanton among others. Trying to reduce payroll by $60 million.

[columbia]

No middle linebacker talk in here?

[Dickie Dunn]

No middle linebacker talk in here?

That's in the Mike LB thread.

[columbia]

Cards, Sox and Giants in on Stanton.
https://theathletic.com/159001/2017/11/ ... n-the-mix/

I'd expect the Mets also, with the idea of dumping Cespedes.

[Dickie Dunn]

Stanton has a NTC so the Marlins are kinda screwed. The only way they're getting decent prospects back is if they eat some of his salary but they want to cut from $150MM to below $90MM before Spring Training and would prefer to get rid of his entire contract and on top of that they need to find a team he's willing to go to, which out of those suitors is probably the Giants.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

No middle linebacker talk in here?

That's in the Mike LB thread.

I'm calling bullshit on this entire thread

[columbia]

MILB fans:

@Freddy Rumsen and @MrKennethTKangaroo

I chatted with one of our senior HR people this morning and he used to work in promotions and group sales for the Spokane Indians (class A short season). I can see how he would have been good at MILB hustling.

[Freddy Rumsen]

There is a real art and craft going on there

[dodint]

One of my best friends used to do the same for the Nats. He says it's a young mans game which is why, at ~35, he now works in commercial trucking in Pittsburgh.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Ohtoni owns Philadelphia

https://twitter.com/JohnTrupin/status/9 ... 2859726848

[Dickie Dunn]

Giants are the front runner for Stanton with an underwhelming offer of 2B Joe Panik, RHP prospect Tyler Beede, and OF prospect Chris Shaw, but are willing to take on most, if not all, of Stanton's remaining contract. Stanton and his agent met with the Giants last night, but his preference is to go to the Dodgers, who don't need another outfielder and really can't pay him. Meanwhile the Marlins are busy trying to bully Stanton into waiving his NTC so they can trade him anywhere by offering a "if you don't say yes, you're going to be on this team by yourself" stance.

[robbiestoupe]

I hate baseball. The rich keep getting richer.

[shafnutz05]

I hate baseball. The rich keep getting richer.

Sadly, yup.

[Troy Loney]

Marlins fault for signing him to a 10 year contract. Nobody is going to give you anything to take on that monstrosity.

[Dickie Dunn]

Marlins in general are a mess. Early in the week my buddy described it as "going as well as you'd expect from someone without a college degree and literally no experience with running a business or managing player personnel".

And that was before the news broke that they fired a cancer ridden scout, awaiting a kidney transplant and recovering from colon surgery, two weeks before his contract was up. In typical Jeter fashion to date, neither Jeter nor the team president called with the news. They left that up to their pro scouting director.

Dude is a piece of **** and so far is managing to make a bad franchise worse.

[columbia]

Arod was a better SS.

[MWB]

I hate baseball. The rich keep getting richer.

Sadly, yup.

Is that evidenced by the Stanton situation? That was a "small market" team signing someone to an awful contract and then having to deal with it.

[willeyeam]

I hate baseball. The rich keep getting richer.

Sadly, yup.

Is that evidenced by the Stanton situation? That was a "small market" team signing someone to an awful contract and then having to deal with it.

Define awful

[MWB]

Ten years for an injury prone big guy.

[MWB]

Marlins in general are a mess. Early in the week my buddy described it as "going as well as you'd expect from someone without a college degree and literally no experience with running a business or managing player personnel".

And that was before the news broke that they fired a cancer ridden scout, awaiting a kidney transplant and recovering from colon surgery, two weeks before his contract was up. In typical Jeter fashion to date, neither Jeter nor the team president called with the news. They left that up to their pro scouting director.

Dude is a piece of **** and so far is managing to make a bad franchise worse.

That's an interesting description of Jeter. The news about the scout certainly reflects poorly on him, no doubt. Managing to make a bad franchise worse? What has he done to do that? They need to completely rebuild in pretty much every way, which would mean doing things that aren't necessarily popular (talking about Conine, not the scout).

[robbiestoupe]

I hate baseball. The rich keep getting richer.

Sadly, yup.

Is that evidenced by the Stanton situation? That was a "small market" team signing someone to an awful contract and then having to deal with it.

I don't care what the Marlins do. It's more about where he will end up. This, plus the Ohtani situation (in which he will end up on a team with big pockets) make baseball very difficult to follow anymore.

[columbia]

Maybe this attitude is fading, but I've noticed a weird disconnect among Pirates fans on league wide financial issues:

Moan and groan about the rich teams snapping up high profile players (through whatever means), but then claiming that Pirates' payroll isn't relevant to their success. You can't really have it both ways.

[Troy Loney]

Maybe this attitude is fading, but I've noticed a weird disconnect among Pirates fans on league wide financial issues:

Moan and groan about the rich teams snapping up high profile players (through whatever means), but then claiming that Pirates' payroll isn't relevant to their success. You can't really have it both ways.

I assume this is at least partly directed at me. the Pirates are an iteration of the moneyball strategy. That formula plays much better in an era dominated by pitching and defense. Offense is the driver again and that has the double edged knife for the Pirates in that offense is always expensive and they have not proven able to scout and develop hitter nor evaluate hitters at the MLB level. That's a clear deficiency that I'm not sure how to solve.

[robbiestoupe]

No, those people are called front office shills. They will spew the same garbage the front office does.

[columbia]

Maybe this attitude is fading, but I've noticed a weird disconnect among Pirates fans on league wide financial issues:

Moan and groan about the rich teams snapping up high profile players (through whatever means), but then claiming that Pirates' payroll isn't relevant to their success. You can't really have it both ways.

I assume this is at least partly directed at me. the Pirates are an iteration of the moneyball strategy. That formula plays much better in an era dominated by pitching and defense. Offense is the driver again and that has the double edged knife for the Pirates in that offense is always expensive and they have not proven able to scout and develop hitter nor evaluate hitters at the MLB level. That's a clear deficiency that I'm not sure how to solve.

It was not....