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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:17 pm

There is no way we are catching Baltimore

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Postby Beveridge » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:19 pm

I'm on the other end. Have all 7 fielders line up in a straight line for all I care. Defenses in NFL can do all kinds of wacky things. Should be no different here. Batters can adjust by taking what they are being given.

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Postby MWB » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:22 pm

Problem is, they’ve been trained for years to not take what they’re given. The adjustment back to well rounded hitters would take years.

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:36 pm

I'm fine with legislating out shifts though I did have a similar thought to Beveridge. I wonder if hitters that have come/are coming up in the last few years are better at pushing the ball to the opposite side of the field to combat shifts

not that I'd want to wait for it. Shifts are lame

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Postby Orlando Penguin » Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:50 pm

I can't have a rational discussion with someone that wants to ban the shift in baseball. The old adage of 'hit it where they ain't' still needs to hold true today. If you can't hit the other way or drop a bunt down when they're basically begging you to try it, then you're just not a complete player. You're a player that just cares about exit velo and launch angle and want to try to hit it 800 miles. You have a right to try to knock it into the next time zone. I have the right as a defense to keep you from getting on base.

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Postby LeopardLetang » Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:55 pm

Players that just care about making the majors. But I'm fine with the shifts

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:13 pm

I can't have a rational discussion with someone that wants to ban the shift in baseball. The old adage of 'hit it where they ain't' still needs to hold true today. If you can't hit the other way or drop a bunt down when they're basically begging you to try it, then you're just not a complete player. You're a player that just cares about exit velo and launch angle and want to try to hit it 800 miles. You have a right to try to knock it into the next time zone. I have the right as a defense to keep you from getting on base.
I 100% agree with this but I also think it's hurting the watchability of the game because they can't figure out how to do that. And as a result it's hurting the future of baseball. So I don't know

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Postby faftorial » Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:30 pm

I can't have a rational discussion with someone that wants to ban the shift in baseball. The old adage of 'hit it where they ain't' still needs to hold true today. If you can't hit the other way or drop a bunt down when they're basically begging you to try it, then you're just not a complete player. You're a player that just cares about exit velo and launch angle and want to try to hit it 800 miles. You have a right to try to knock it into the next time zone. I have the right as a defense to keep you from getting on base.
I 100% agree with this but I also think it's hurting the watchability of the game because they can't figure out how to do that. And as a result it's hurting the future of baseball. So I don't know
Thanks ulf.

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Postby Orlando Penguin » Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:52 pm

The watchability of the game has also been hurt by the amount of count working that happens in each at bat. The Yankees really started it and yeah, swing at the best pitch but the pitchers haven’t adjusted for the most part and you’ve got starters burning thru 100 pitches in 5 innings.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:36 pm

The unfortunate part is I just don't really have much of an idea of what the answer is. I have ideas on how to speed up games but it doesn't make the product itself much better. Just less airtime of it. Maybe a bigger strike zone?

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 3:39 pm

It's just amazing how much the game, especially pitching, has changed the last ten years. There are too many damn "bullpen games" anymore.

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:19 pm

I’ve seen some ideas of raising or lowering the mound, moving it back, etc. Some of it was to protect pitchers’ arms from overuse and the high velocities, but also to give the hitters a fraction of a second more to hit the ball. Not sure if that’s going to happen though.

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Postby King Colby » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:13 pm

The watchability of the game has also been hurt by the amount of count working that happens in each at bat. The Yankees really started it and yeah, swing at the best pitch but the pitchers haven’t adjusted for the most part and you’ve got starters burning thru 100 pitches in 5 innings.
It's not just hitters working the count. How many times do you see a pitcher go up 0-2 and the next 2 pitches are a fastball 10 feet high or a breaking ball that bounces 18 inches in front of the plate

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Postby King Colby » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:13 pm

Why can't they try and throw a strikeout pitch instead of a low percentage chase pitch

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Postby faftorial » Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:51 pm

Since we are making all sorts of changes, make it 3 balls is a walk.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:37 pm

We all need to come to grips that the cat is out of the bag with sports analytics. Nerds with spreadsheets cracked the code on baseball and they’ve done it with hoops too. We all need to sit back and ask ourselves what we *think* baseball should be. Hit and runs? Bunting guys over? Pitchers getting a chance to grind it out in the 8th or 9th inning? No rule change is going to bring any of that stuff back. None of that will change the fact that the most efficient way to get a guy out is to strike him out, and none of that will change the fact that a strikeout is just as much of an out as an out, and none of that will change that the easiest way to score a run it to hit it where they aint (and by aint, i mean they aint in the outfield).

Banning the shift won’t do diddly poo. What will that do? Add a couple points on some overgrown left handed oofuses batting average? Big deal. Kyle seager isn’t going to stop swinging for the fences on 2 strike counts if there is no shift becuase he might be able to squeak a ground ball in between second and first. He is still going to try to hit a dinger (i said dinger) and if he rolls over a changeup, hits a grounder, and it is a base hit becuase the third baseman is actually playing third, he won’t care.

It is too hard to score runs scoring singles, no one gets paid for hitting singles, and no one is trying to do it. Roll tide.

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Postby faftorial » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:42 pm

Move all the outfield fences 100 feet back.

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Postby faftorial » Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:44 pm

Or use netting to extend the fences up 100 feet.

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Postby MWB » Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:51 pm

Since we are making all sorts of changes, make it 3 balls is a walk.
And two foul balls with two strikes is a K?

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:28 pm

Ohtani pitched and hit leadoff tonight. 0-4 with 3 Ks so far and 4IP 4ER. What a bum. Os snapping like an 18 game skid because if him

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:34 pm

Losing to the O’s should lose him the MVP

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Postby Orlando Penguin » Wed Aug 25, 2021 10:56 pm

The watchability of the game has also been hurt by the amount of count working that happens in each at bat. The Yankees really started it and yeah, swing at the best pitch but the pitchers haven’t adjusted for the most part and you’ve got starters burning thru 100 pitches in 5 innings.
It's not just hitters working the count. How many times do you see a pitcher go up 0-2 and the next 2 pitches are a fastball 10 feet high or a breaking ball that bounces 18 inches in front of the plate
I agree with you on this point. It drives me nuts in a HS game when a pitcher is clearly overmatching a batter and gasses him for 2 strikes and then messes around trying to get a cutesy off-speed pitch for a strike 3. Just gas him one more time so I can get out of this plate gear a few minutes earlier, please.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:19 pm

Bad coaching. People think 0-2 has to be a deuce in the dirt every time. If he isn't touching the heater don't even mess around with the offspeed. Dumb

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Postby shafnutz05 » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:16 am

Ohtani pitched and hit leadoff tonight. 0-4 with 3 Ks so far and 4IP 4ER. What a bum. Os snapping like an 18 game skid because if him
I had a weird feeling this was going to happen.

Meanwhile in the Dodgers Padres game...
Pollock's homer sends Dodgers to 5-3 win over Padres in 16

— After 16 innings that took 5 hours, 49 minutes to play, featuring 489 pitches by 19 pitchers who stranded a combined 35 baserunners, the streaking Los Angeles Dodgers finally got to celebrate.

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Postby iamjs » Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:26 am

There is no way we are catching Baltimore

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That last guy is a bad pitcher.

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