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Postby AuthorTony » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:04 pm

Isn't Schilling the guy who said baseball writers are some of the worst people he ever knew and called the scumbags? Color me shocked that those same people don't want to vote for him.

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Postby dodint » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:17 pm

TIL it's the personal ethics hall of fame.
I felt a little bad about being snarky with you on this. Then I got to thinking about it from a lawyerly perspective. What are they actually voting for.
Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
https://bbwaa.com/hof-elec-req/
Oh.
Personal ethics are a consideration.
And since he was borderline at best to begin with, the exclusion seems appropriate.

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Postby MWB » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:36 pm

Yes, but the integrity and character aspects are arbitrarily applied. I think that’s FR’s point. It’s been used as the disqualification in regards to steroids allegations, but not much else.

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Postby dodint » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:39 pm

Pete Rose?

I think Schilling is an edge case and this is a plant/grow situation. Antagonist treated poorly by society. I am okay with it.

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Postby MR25 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:43 pm

It's also relevant in the current day though, because Schilling is not in. It's not like we can retroactively be like "Oh Ty Cobb was a vehement racist and by the integrity clause doesn't belong in the Hall".

The values changed along with society.

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Postby dodint » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:48 pm

Yeah, fair. I think in a no social media world he would have an easier time.

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Postby MWB » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:58 pm

Rose broke the gambling rule. Not much grey area there.

Much of the steroids stuff is varying degrees of speculation.
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Postby faftorial » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:59 pm

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:33 pm

Schilling is not in for the similar reasons to why Dave Parker is not in. Had an adversarial relationship with the writers that didn't improve after they retired.

There are plenty of examples of guys who kissed the media's derriere and who got in and probably shouldn't have.

At the end of the day it's a sports hall of fame so not something anyone should get their dander up about.

And never feel bad about giving me a hard time. I usually deserve it. ;)

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Postby MWB » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:32 am

Dave Parker doesn’t have the stats to be in, regardless of his relationship with the media.

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Postby faftorial » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:47 am

Dave Parker doesn’t have the stats to be in, regardless of his relationship with the media.
I was a huge Dave Parker fan and I agree he doesn't belong.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:04 am

Dave Parker has better numbers than several guys in the hall, including Tim Raines and Jim Rice.

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Postby faftorial » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:14 am

Dave Parker has better numbers than several guys in the hall, including Tim Raines and Jim Rice.
They shouldn't be in either.

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Postby willeyeam » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:15 am

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Postby MWB » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:52 am

Dave Parker has better numbers than several guys in the hall, including Tim Raines and Jim Rice.
Raines and rice are both borderline for me. Rice’s numbers were better than Parker’s. His counting numbers were similar (30 less runs, 250 less hits, 12 more rbi, 43 more HR) despite 1000 less ABs. Rices OBP and SLG both quite a bit higher. Parker’s only real significant edge was steals.

Raines is a more difficult comparison because of him being a completely different type of player. Obviously a ton more steals and a huge obp advantage, with much lower power numbers. His advantage is he was the second best lead off hitter of his era, behind only Henderson. Plus, his nickname was Rock, which is pretty funny.

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Postby MWB » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:59 am

Rice also not the best comparison because he had a bad relationship with the media as well.

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Postby willeyeam » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:18 am

That is cool

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:18 am

Which one is Geena Davis?

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:26 am

Sliding with a skirt...yikes lol

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Postby willeyeam » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:35 am

wonder if they had sliding skorts

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:49 pm



The Rockies basically gave him away for a few middling prospects and they paid the Cards $50 million.

Baseball is broken.

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