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Postby CBear3 » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:00 am

He probably died.

Also, on the McGwire bit, how is Sammy Sosa getting more votes than him?

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:04 am

Are Bonds and Clemens seemingly getting closer than they have been in recent years?

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:07 am

He probably died.

Also, on the McGwire bit, how is Sammy Sosa getting more votes than him?
McGwire is no longer Hall eligible. Fell off the ballot after 2016 once he was not elected for 10 consecutive ballots.

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Postby MWB » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:12 am

Bonds and Clemens have been going up, I believe. Looks like it will be very close for walker.

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:19 am

Because manny tested positive?
Jayson Stark published an article on his ballot and made a point on Manny that I felt i agreed with. There were basically two PED eras - one in which pretty much everyone was on them (McGwire, Bonds, Clemens etc. era) and a 2nd one in which they actually tried to get rid of PEDs... I'll just quote him.
There wasn’t just one PED era, in my mind. There were really two. There was that era with no testing, no discipline and no way of knowing who the heck was doing what. But then there was that era that began in 2005, when baseball finally implemented testing, suspensions and a legitimate effort to grapple with its darkest scandal in a generation.

If our friend Manny had just done what he’d done — by which I mean compile numbers that rank him among the greatest right-handed hitters who ever stepped into a batter’s box — in that first era, I’d vote for him, for exactly the same reasons I vote for Bonds and Clemens. But that isn’t Manny’s story. He didn’t merely get himself suspended twice in that second era. He racked up more PED suspensions than everyone else on this ballot combined. So … no check for him!
I know it's a bit hypocritical to say this steroid user is okay to get in and this one isn't.. but whatever.

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Postby MWB » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:23 am

Yeah, that makes sense. I agree there’s a difference.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:59 pm

Yeah, I 100% agree with Stark.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:20 pm

Congrats to Larry Walker.


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Postby willeyeam » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:36 pm

Who's the one petty ass voter that didn't vote for Jeter?
because I love you

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:37 pm

Jeff Kent gets major disrespect imo

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Postby MWB » Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:56 pm

Maybe the one person who didn’t vote for Jeter is also the one person who did vote for JJ Putz.

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Postby MWB » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:02 pm

Kent, like McGwire, needed more great years.

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:10 pm

Kent, like McGwire, needed more great years.
Kent leads all 2B ever in HR, XBH.. highest 2B slugging % since Roger Hornsby 83 years ago. Tough to say no to that imo

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Postby MWB » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:38 pm

Yeah, but 13th in hits, 12th in runs, somewhere in the 30s in OBP, and 19th in WAR among second basemen. Also had second most strikeouts. Great power hitting second baseman, but not a top second baseman and not a top power hitter, and you’ve got to be one of those to be HOF imo.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:06 am

Jeff Kent was an unlikable dadhole who didn’t get along with teammates or the media. He never had a shot regardless of numbers.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:13 am

Jeff Kent was an unlikable dadhole who didn’t get along with teammates or the media. He never had a shot regardless of numbers.
I remember when he injured himself popping wheelies on his motorcycle.

On the other hand, I'm really happy for Larry Walker. Guy is a stand-up dude.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:10 am

Saw something similar that discussed Yu Darvish getting LIT THE **** UP in the WS against the Astros, which played a role in him getting less than expected on the open market and really messed with his head, confidence, and mechanics because he believed he was tipping his pitches and tried changing things up, and then completely sucked when he got to the Cubs.

The counterpoint to that is he still got paid a **** ton and **** the Cubs.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:14 pm

Gotta hand it to the Astros. It’s hard to become more unlikable after cheating your way to a World Series, but hiring Dusty Baker makes that a mission accomplished.

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Postby Troy Loney » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:18 pm

Saw something similar that discussed Yu Darvish getting LIT THE **** UP in the WS against the Astros, which played a role in him getting less than expected on the open market and really messed with his head, confidence, and mechanics because he believed he was tipping his pitches and tried changing things up, and then completely sucked when he got to the Cubs.

The counterpoint to that is he still got paid a **** ton and **** the Cubs.
Can't imagine that having unfolded any better, unless of course this revelation leads to Darvish being good for that **** franchise.

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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:53 pm

This is a good read on how badly MLB has bungled this whole thing:

https://www.ajc.com/blog/mark-bradley/m ... NsjvtetZO/

It includes a link to this insanely stupid Jess Mendoza take:


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Postby MR25 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:13 pm

Fun read/perusal:


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Postby Beveridge » Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:40 pm

I hope teams bang on cans all season long to mess with the heads of whomever they're playing.

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