Pittsburgh Pirates 2021-2022 Offseason Discussion

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:55 am

Got a big guy

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 8:58 am

Postby **King Colby** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:05 am

I hate this guy.

This is less about his baseball abilities and more about the fact that he's a fat **** pig but still a professional athlete.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:20 am

I think the collection of pitchers they break ST with is "up in the air" and that is about as generous as you can be with that. They have about 5 guys that have truly earned a major league roster slot, and about 10 of the same guys that are interchangeably bad.

But I think the set of position players is set (with the Cruz buzz comfortably out of mind, he can start in AAA for service time reasons).
C: Perez
1B: Yoshi
2B: Chavis / Tucker
SS: Newman
3B: Hayes
LF: Gamel
CF: Reynolds
RF: Alford / Allen
DH: Vogelbach

Bench 2 of Chavis/Tucker/Alford/Allen, Park, Backup C.

I guess there's a chance that they expand roster and they carry 13 position players, and in that case, I imagine it will be either Castro or Castillo.

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:24 am

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:24 am

like Perez/Gamel/Alford - it doesn't cost that much to upgrade those spots to a reasonably watchable guy

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:33 am

like Perez/Gamel/Alford - it doesn't cost that much to upgrade those spots to a reasonably watchable guy

I think Perez was fine to bring in to replace Stallings. But, that's assuming this pitcher they got from the Marlins is actually a legit starting pitcher, and not just a passable cheap option. I gather that getting Thompson was the key driver of that deal, because the two prospects don't do much more than add to the stock.

But yeah, the Newman/Tucker/Alford/Gamel/Chavis/Allen/Castro portion of the 25-man roster is just depressing. I really don't believe there is actual belief any of these guys max out beyond "above" replacement level. I guess my hope is that 2022 is the year they officially cut ties with most of them.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:43 am

Tucker has spent the extended offseason living it up with Vanessa Hudgens. I'll be stunned if he makes the 25 man roster out of spring training.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:49 am

I do wonder if they will keep Cruz on the roster to try and garner some interest in the team, because I can't even imagine any other reason to watch this current roster play baseball. Maybe when Contreras starts? But he's also likely to start the year in the minors so the can "take a long look" at Wilson, Peters, Crow....etc

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:29 am

0.0 WAR in 919 career at bats for this new guy.

Postby **shafnutz05** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:44 am

0.0 WAR in 919 career at bats for this new guy.

Clean slate.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:55 am

He is apparently a walking torn hamstring, so keeping him relegated to DH is the ideal scenario for this guy, he does have one legit offensive year under his belt for the mariners.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:02 pm

Jfc this new guy is fat. He makes Sandoval look like a picture of health.

0.0 WAR in 919 career at bats for this new guy.

BR has his career OWAR at 1.4. That’s something at least.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:25 pm

Worse OWAR than Colin Moran and a worse career avenue, slugging and on base than Moran. Conclusion: he stinks.

Postby **robbiestoupe** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:31 pm

Worse OWAR than Colin Moran and a worse career avenue, slugging and on base than Moran. Conclusion: he stinks belongs.

there ya go

Postby **King Colby** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:31 pm

He is apparently a walking torn hamstring, so keeping him relegated to DH is the ideal scenario for this guy, he does have one legit offensive year under his belt for the mariners.

Hes 700 pounds he's a waddling torn hamstring

Postby **faftorial** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:05 pm

Worse OWAR than Colin Moran and a worse career avenue, slugging and on base than Moran. Conclusion: he stinks.

I'll just be happy not to see that stupid beard again.

Postby **King Colby** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:20 pm

That beard is worth -10 WAR

Postby **faftorial** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:16 pm

More crap:

The 6-foot, 270-pound Vogelbach hit 30 of his 49 career home runs with the Seattle Mariners in 2019. He played the past two seasons for the Milwaukee Brewers, where he worked with new Pirates hitting coach Andy Haines and batted .219/.349/.381 with nine homers and 24 RBIs in 93 games last season.

Postby **dodint** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:17 pm

LFG boys, get the champagne goggles ready...

Postby **Morkle** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:23 pm

lol cool so he worked with the new hitting coach and saw his numbers tank. Ringing endorsement for both lmao.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:32 pm

He missed two+ months with a hamstring injury

He should be serviceable when healthy, but guys like this are a dime a dozen, they will produce when fully healthy, but every injury is a season long struggle. It will be like a fat white Polanco.

Postby **faftorial** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:34 pm

He missed two+ months with a hamstring injury

He should be serviceable when healthy, but guys like this are a dime a dozen, they will produce when fully healthy, but every injury is a season long struggle. It will be like a fat white Polanco.

That doesn't make me feel any better about the signing.

Postby **MR25** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:35 pm

Well you'd hope, if he's just there to DH, there'd be less opportunity for him to tear a hammy

Postby **faftorial** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:39 pm

He signed for 1mm or so, so I guess we can't expect much.