2020-2021 Pittsburgh Pirates Off-Season Thread

Postby **Troy Loney** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:14 pm

That comment wasn't about strategy, it was only pointing out that drafting in the top 2 for a series of season (AKA tanking) is player development agnostic. When you add a guy like Kris Bryant, Carlos Correia, Bryce Harper, it doesn't matter how well you teach them in the minors. They make it to the majors and perform. Cole wasn't a player development issue, he made it to the majors quickly and was a huge part of their success, and had a Cy Young caliber season in 2015. That was ML level coaching that tanked his value in 2016 and idiotic management to then trade him at his lowest value.

I don't really understand the full scope of the NH & Hurdle/Searage relationship, but it really seems like they built and collaborated closely in both building up the pirates playoff runs and destroying the value of their most prized assets.

Postby **willeyeam** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:40 pm

It's like my brain just can't recall the Mets in the WS. I can't remember anything about them being there

Postby **robbiestoupe** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 1:42 pm

It's like my brain just can't recall the Mets in the WS. I can't remember anything about them being there

Definitely had to google it

Postby **DigitalGypsy66** » Wed Feb 03, 2021 2:37 pm

I automatically thought of this:

I had forgotten (or didn't give a ****) that they made it six years ago.

Postby **willeyeam** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:12 am

Btw guys if Cole Tucker doesn't play SS on this dumpster fire of a team we riot

Postby **faftorial** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:15 am

Btw guys if Cole Tucker doesn't play SS on this dumpster fire of a team we riot

I don't know, I hear that Erik González is an up-and-comer at SS.

Postby **willeyeam** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:29 am

Postby **King Colby** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:55 pm

He won't. Theyll rotate Gonzalez Newman and frazier in the middle infield unless frazier is gone.

Historically bad offense:

C = Stallings, "perez"
IF = Moran, Evans, Frazier, Newman, Gonzalez, Hayes, WILMER DIFO
OF = Reynolds Alford Tucker Polanco

Oh my.

Postby **willeyeam** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:55 pm

And the pitching is worse

Postby **King Colby** » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:56 pm

They should take a flier on Albert almora

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Sat Feb 06, 2021 5:14 pm

I was at the game where he was "born".

Postby **DigitalGypsy66** » Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:29 pm

https://www.mlb.com/news/rob-mackowiak- ... header-hrs

Crouse is the new MLB.com beat reporter for the Bucs, fwiw. Adam Berry also ended up in Tampa.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:53 am

They should take a flier on Albert almora

Signed by the Mets.

They probably think they can morph Alford into something

Postby **King Colby** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:13 am

Damn. They still only have 2 real OF even with Alford. The 3rd is some combination of Polanco, Tucker, Frazier. Dumb.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:19 am

Was talking to my Marlins buddy yesterday about the Pirates current $30MM payroll. Pirates fall into the second tier of revenue sharing this season (Marlins are the first tier) with a group of teams getting $40MM. On top of that, the league’s central fund will hold steady and dish out $50MM to each team. $90MM in welfare money and a third of it going to the on-field product. Nutting is such a **** bag.

Postby **Troy Loney** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:20 am

Oliva will probably be a starter by June.

Postby **King Colby** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 11:12 am

What does the "second tier" mean

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:06 pm

What does the "second tier" mean

Marlins are getting $76MM in revenue sharing. Rays and Pirates getting $40MM. Continues to drop from there.

Postby **King Colby** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:07 pm

What does the "second tier" mean
Marlins are getting $76MM in revenue sharing. Rays and Pirates getting $40MM. Continues to drop from there.

How do the marlins get more? Isn't Miami like a significantly larger market? Idk what all the factors are.

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:42 pm

What does the "second tier" mean
Marlins are getting $76MM in revenue sharing. Rays and Pirates getting $40MM. Continues to drop from there.
How do the marlins get more? Isn't Miami like a significantly larger market? Idk what all the factors are.

It’s based on local revenue, so TV deals and gate receipts. In 2019 the Pirates had $109MM in local revenue. Marlins had $38MM.

Postby **MrKennethTKangaroo** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:52 pm

Geez the marlins’ TV deal must be worthless

Postby **Troy Loney** » Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:02 pm

Big things afoot for 2021

Postby **Freddy Rumsen** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:38 pm

#Herewego

Postby **willeyeam** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:38 pm

This still warms the heart a little bit

Postby **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Feb 09, 2021 2:15 pm

Geez the marlins’ TV deal must be worthless

$18MM in 2019. Says a lot about their game day revenue generation.