Fifth Avenue Forum

I don't think trying to return to some semblance of normalcy should involve indulging in frivolities (fine dining, casinos, CoLlEgE FoOtBaLl, etc.). Some measured response still needs to remain. But we blew it in late spring and we're blowing it again now.

As much as I hate the whole, get back to normal, this is overblown take. The original goal of this was always alleviate the curve. I think that's been pretty well done in areas, with the assumption that things will open up. Until they didn't.

Right? Like the entire shutdown was to not inundate the hospitals?

How open can you be without inundating the hospitals?

Agreed with dodint... I think schools should be open, restaurants should be open, normal businesses should be open. By and large, they are. There was a wrestling tournament held here that had 1200 wrestlers and 1500 additional people in attendance over the weekend. They got fines and whatnot, but if someone can explain to me why that should be permitted, I'm all ears. It's not a necessity to have that kind of tournament in a time like this.

Gatherings can happen, if done safely and attendees are reasonable.

Remember I talked about my son's former travel baseball team? They've been playing tournaments around SC for a couple of months now, and there haven't been any large scale breakouts due to these tournaments. As the municipalities have adopted mask ordinances, the rate of transmission has dropped at large gatherings like these tournaments.

So what you’re saying is that masks are working.

As much as I hate the whole, get back to normal, this is overblown take. The original goal of this was always alleviate the curve. I think that's been pretty well done in areas, with the assumption that things will open up. Until they didn't.

Right? Like the entire shutdown was to not inundate the hospitals?

How open can you be without inundating the hospitals?

I’m certainly not suggestion we’re full blown open. I do believe we’re doing things way slower than needed given the data that’s coming out.

Good thing you can absolutely only get it once.

Some people only get it once...

Considering there have only been two confirmed re-infections (that I know of), it seems exceedingly rare.

As much as I hate the whole, get back to normal, this is overblown take. The original goal of this was always alleviate the curve. I think that's been pretty well done in areas, with the assumption that things will open up. Until they didn't.

Right? Like the entire shutdown was to not inundate the hospitals?

How open can you be without inundating the hospitals?

I’m certainly not suggestion we’re full blown open. I do believe we’re doing things way slower than needed given the data that’s coming out.

It’s estimated 15-20% of the US has had it just based on positive rate and antibody testing. If you factor in that the possibility that 50% never develop antibodies, then you could have up to 30-40% have actually had it or been exposed.

I am not sure if it can go crazy again unless there is a significant mutation that would bypass immunity.

I don't think trying to return to some semblance of normalcy should involve indulging in frivolities (fine dining, casinos, CoLlEgE FoOtBaLl, etc.). Some measured response still needs to remain. But we blew it in late spring and we're blowing it again now.

This is what bothered me so much about the first phased reopening we (California) had in May. It seemed like on the hour we hit the mark of 2 weeks of reducing new cases we started going bananas opening public spaces and businesses. I don't think that 2-week span is sufficient, and yet here we are 4 months later after a worse outbreak than we initially endured in February-April that prompted the lockdown in the first place and we're starting to reopen things again.

I am not an epidemiologist, nor do I play one on TV. But it seems evident that what we did in May was faulty, and I don't see any evidence that we're approaching things in a substantively different fashion this time around.

I'm just ready for this to be over so I can go back to social distancing on my own terms

Good thing you can absolutely only get it once.

Some people only get it once...

Considering there have only been two confirmed re-infections (that I know of), it seems exceedingly rare.

I think you missed the joke.

Right? Like the entire shutdown was to not inundate the hospitals?

That's exactly what the surgeon told me

The entire state of Queensland, Aus had 0 new cases yesterday. That seems impressive

There was never really a hospital overload. There were issues of short staffing at times, but thats something they deal with regularly. Unless they think reopening everything would change that, which seems unlikely,, then I'm not sure why they wouldn't. Minimize large gatherings and if you do have them, ensure they are planned and well executed.

We can say keep "unnecessary" things closed but ultimately that's someone's job. Look around pro sports ... staffers are getting let go. Maybe what the chiefs did the other night was reasonable - I'm not sure, I'd like to know if anyone there gets sick.

At some point in time the goalposts were moved from hospital overload to no cases.

It probably was somewhere around when the petty fascists figured out they enjoyed the right to randomly use executive power for "health reasons".

Which is how you get bizarre rulings about what was essential (stuff owned by political friends) and what isn't (stuff the governor doesn't like).

No one is asking for zero cases. We all realize that’s unrealistic.

I'm actually tolerant of most re-opening actions. Ultimately it's up to people to be accountable to themselves and the people they love.

Except for the really stupid stuff. Like, the spit in the face of society stuff. Not wearing a mask at Wal-Mart. Playing collegiate sports when the the campus itself is closed to learning on site. Just real bonehead behavior that you have to actually try and be a drain on society.

At some point in time the goalposts were moved from hospital overload to no cases.

That's simply not true. If that was the case no restaurants would be open and no gatherings of any size would be allowed.

At some point in time the goalposts were moved from hospital overload to no cases.

It probably was somewhere around when the petty fascists figured out they enjoyed the right to randomly use executive power for "health reasons".

Which is how you get bizarre rulings about what was essential (stuff owned by political friends) and what isn't (stuff the governor doesn't like).

If the top guy didn’t punt to the governors so he could blame them later and instead taken a unified stance, your point would be moot.

No schools/colleges would be open either.

At some point in time the goalposts were moved from hospital overload to no cases.

It probably was somewhere around when the petty fascists figured out they enjoyed the right to randomly use executive power for "health reasons".

Which is how you get bizarre rulings about what was essential (stuff owned by political friends) and what isn't (stuff the governor doesn't like).

If the top guy didn’t punt to the governors so he could blame them later and instead taken a unified stance, your point would be moot.

At some point in time the goalposts were moved from hospital overload to no cases.

It probably was somewhere around when the petty fascists figured out they enjoyed the right to randomly use executive power for "health reasons".

Which is how you get bizarre rulings about what was essential (stuff owned by political friends) and what isn't (stuff the governor doesn't like).

If the top guy didn’t punt to the governors so he could blame them later and instead taken a unified stance, your point would be moot.

He punted to the governor's because in America the Federal executive has no authority over state health decisions and lockdowns.

Back to this argument. Have a nice week.

Don't you put that evil on me!