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Postby skullman80 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:13 am

I suppose nothing was learned from what happened in Europe with the AZ vaccine, huh? This will set back the vaccine efforts by at least a month. I guess the 20,000 people or so that die in the one month set back due to 6 instances of blood clots over 7 million people inoculated is warranted? gtfo.
Agree with this.

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:15 am

I'm very uninformed when it comes to blood clots, so looking at "stoptheclot.org", here's some data to think about:
ON AVERAGE, 274 PEOPLE DIE EVERY DAY FROM BLOOD CLOTS

-107 to 130 cases of potentially deadly blood clots occurred each year per 100,000 Caucasian individuals from 1985 through 2002. This translates into about 1 to 3 cases per 1,000 people.

-250,000 cases of potentially deadly blood clots, such as deep vein thrombosis or DVT, occurred each year between 1966 through 1990.
900,000 cases per year are now suggested by recent scientific modeling and public health statistics.

-100,000 to 300,000 deaths from blood clots occur each year, which is greater than the total number of people who lose their lives each year to AIDS, breast cancer, and motor vehicle crashes combined.

-600,000 non-fatal cases of deadly blood clots occur each year, of which 40% are blood clots in the lungs and 60% are blood clots in the legs.

-547,596 hospitalizations due to blood clots occurred from 2007 – 2009.
Now, I'm not saying it shouldn't be looked into. It should, but 6 in 7 million is not the time to hit the stop button to investigate.

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Postby eddy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:20 am

So I can stay home from work for 10 days or 5 with a negative test. Hellooooo unexpected 10 day vacation (hopefully no symptoms start)!

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:32 am

For easy rounding, let's call the blood clot 1 in a million. Here's some other fun things that have less than 1 in a million chance of happening:

Odds of being:
-Injured by a toilet: 1 in 10,000
-Killed as a result of a plane crash: 1 in 205,000
-killed by fireworks: 1 in 340,000
-Drowned while taking a bath: 1 in 685,000
-Murdered: 1 in 18,000

Additionally, seeing all 6 of these people are women in fertile ages, it might be linked to birth control in some way. Halting injections is the wrong move here, imo.

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Postby Morkle » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:38 am

I suppose nothing was learned from what happened in Europe with the AZ vaccine, huh? This will set back the vaccine efforts by at least a month. I guess the 20,000 people or so that die in the one month set back due to 6 instances of blood clots over 7 million people inoculated is warranted? gtfo.
My feelings exactly on this. 6 people out of almost 7million. Way to immediately just handicap an option because of scare tactics.

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Postby meow » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:41 am

For easy rounding, let's call the blood clot 1 in a million. Here's some other fun things that have less than 1 in a million chance of happening:

Odds of being:
-Injured by a toilet: 1 in 10,000
-Killed as a result of a plane crash: 1 in 205,000
-killed by fireworks: 1 in 340,000
-Drowned while taking a bath: 1 in 685,000
-Murdered: 1 in 18,000

Additionally, seeing all 6 of these people are women in fertile ages, it might be linked to birth control in some way. Halting injections is the wrong move here, imo.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but there is a difference that has to be respected when looking at vaccine side effects and playing with fireworks. The government is backing and promoting these vaccines that are hurting people - albeit a minuscule percentage of people. The government isn’t backing and promoting people to play with fireworks and Jason Pierre-Paul themselves.

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Postby robbiestoupe » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:43 am

Source of the post Additionally, seeing all 6 of these people are women in fertile ages, it might be linked to birth control in some way. Halting injections is the wrong move here, imo.
I was with you until this part. If the halt is to allow them to test the effects of the shot on people on birth control, it does give them the opportunity to apply a warning label, if you will, to the shot. Perhaps they only start giving the shot to men and women not on BC.

Of course I know nothing about how long it would take to conduct such a trial, so perhaps I'm off base here.

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Postby NTP66 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:44 am

They haven't stated how long this pause will be, either. It could just be 1-2 weeks. We still have Pfizer and Moderna doses going out there.

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:44 am

I wonder how many people have died in a car accident on their way to get the vaccine... I’d wager it’s more than 6.

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:46 am

Source of the post Additionally, seeing all 6 of these people are women in fertile ages, it might be linked to birth control in some way. Halting injections is the wrong move here, imo.
I was with you until this part. If the halt is to allow them to test the effects of the shot on people on birth control, it does give them the opportunity to apply a warning label, if you will, to the shot. Perhaps they only start giving the shot to men and women not on BC.

Of course I know nothing about how long it would take to conduct such a trial, so perhaps I'm off base here.
Keep giving j&j to men and old people. I don’t disagree with stopping for people that fit the category.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:47 am

"See! I told you it wasn't safe"

Thanks CDC.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:48 am

what was all that one in a million talk?

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Postby robbiestoupe » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:49 am

I wonder how many people have died in a car accident on their way to get the vaccine... I’d wager it’s more than 6.
A bad analogy in the Covid thread, don't you think?

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:52 am

I wonder how many people have died in a car accident on their way to get the vaccine... I’d wager it’s more than 6.
A bad analogy in the Covid thread, don't you think?
I dunno man... based on the numbers so far, this halt is going to hurt more people than it'll help.

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Postby meow » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:54 am

"See! I told you it wasn't safe"

Thanks CDC.
You got J&J, right Freddy?

Are you barren now?

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Postby meow » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:55 am

what was all that one in a million talk?
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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:55 am

"See! I told you it wasn't safe"

Thanks CDC.
You got J&J, right Freddy?

Are you barren now?
Alas...'tis my fate.

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Postby King Colby » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:04 am

I wonder how many people have died in a car accident on their way to get the vaccine... I’d wager it’s more than 6.
A bad analogy in the Covid thread, don't you think?
I dunno man... based on the numbers so far, this halt is going to hurt more people than it'll help.
Guaranteed. What a **** nightmare.

This is going to cause many people to not get shots too, all over next to nothing.

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Postby King Colby » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:05 am

The government loves shooting itself in the foot and having no continuity among agencies.

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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:10 am

Right now it’s over a 1 in 1 million chance. But there may be a good number of those 7 million just who got the shot and are still be in that 1-2 week period where a situation may occur. If the number of blood clots increase and it continues to be seen in young women who are not at high risk for Covid death, then you have severe issues. This pause has to happen to make sure the reward far exceeds the risk which it likely will. Unfortunate but necessary.

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Postby MR25 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:14 am

Could just go out and get a real vaccine with 2 doses :pop:

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Postby robbiestoupe » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:16 am

Remember, these vaccines are all approved as an emergency vaccine only. They are not fully approved by the government. So they will use extra caution when warranted. I don't know if this would be something that would stop an ongoing trial in non-pandemic times, but my guess is that it would.

Of course these are different times, different circumstances. But the way I think of it is, how many people are still on the fence? Have to imagine a very small %age of people. Those that want the shot, will still get the shot. Those that will never get the shot, this has no impact on them either.

Hopefully the end game in all this is to vaccinate everybody who wants to be vaccinated, wait for a month or two, then open up the world. Too bad if you didn't get the vax, you had your chance. Now you're out there at your own risk. And to be honest, those that don't want the vax probably don't care anyway.

As long as this is the position the government is going to take, I'm ok with them halting the J&J vax for a short period to do some testing. If they are waiting for some magic number of people to be vax'd before opening the world, shame on them. And double shame on them if this halting of the J&J vaccine has any impact on that magical number.

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Postby robbiestoupe » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:16 am

Right now it’s over a 1 in 1 million chance. But there may be a good number of those 7 million just who got the shot and are still be in that 1-2 week period where a situation may occur. If the number of blood clots increase and it continues to be seen in young women who are not at high risk for Covid death, then you have severe issues. This pause has to happen to make sure the reward far exceeds the risk which it likely will. Unfortunate but necessary.
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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:19 am

Why is it necessary?

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:26 am

The one Reddit comment made me laugh over the J&J hault:

"Pfizer hasn't been this erect since it discovered viagra."

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