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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:35 am

Why is it necessary?
Why is it necessary to understand risk and be able to properly inform folks before they get a shot?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:38 am

I wonder what the odds of 6 people developing blood clots naturally would be in the same time period without a vaccine

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:42 am

I wonder what the odds of 6 people developing blood clots naturally would be in the same time period without a vaccine
These are apparently different from standard blood clots.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:42 am

Why is it necessary?
Why is it necessary to understand risk and be able to properly inform folks before they get a shot?
Because scaring people because of infinitesimally small numbers of blood clots is way more a problem here.

Does anyone at CDC do cost/benefit analysis?

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Postby NTP66 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:43 am

Somebody should contact the CDC to see if they've gone through 5AF approval for this action yet.

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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:45 am

Why is it necessary?
Why is it necessary to understand risk and be able to properly inform folks before they get a shot?
Because scaring people because of infinitesimally small numbers of blood clots is way more a problem here.

Does anyone at CDC do cost/benefit analysis?
The CDC and FDA are currently doing a cost/benefit analysis of people in these demographics getting the vaccine for chances of clotting vs chances of severe covid. That’s the point of this pause.

If nothing else, people need to be aware of any risk and be told the symptoms to look for. Surely you’ve seen prescription medicine commercials where they have to verbally list side effects. My guess is the chance of getting those is minuscule as well but they have a duty to inform people.

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Postby NAN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:49 am

This whole Johnson and Johnson thing isn't gonig to help convince those handful of people that are worried about the long term effects that I mentioned yesterday.

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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:52 am

This whole Johnson and Johnson thing isn't gonig to help convince those handful of people that are worried about the long term effects that I mentioned yesterday.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so those people would prefer the FDA to just ignore it?

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Postby King Colby » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:54 am

J&J is no longer the Burger King of vaccines. It's now the Chi Chi's

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Postby MR25 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:56 am

My roommate's stomach since eating airport BK would disagree with that assessment.

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Postby NAN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:56 am

This whole Johnson and Johnson thing isn't gonig to help convince those handful of people that are worried about the long term effects that I mentioned yesterday.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so those people would prefer the FDA to just ignore it?
Ha. No, I think the CDC and the FDA are doing the right thing IMO. I just find it funny that I brought up these people yesterday and now this happens. (I think it was in the political thread).

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Postby NTP66 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:57 am

So it's all NAN's fault. DAMNIT NAN

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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:03 am

Actually, tif yesterday made the statement that their safe. We all know tif is always wrong. This one is on him.

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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:04 am

This whole Johnson and Johnson thing isn't gonig to help convince those handful of people that are worried about the long term effects that I mentioned yesterday.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ so those people would prefer the FDA to just ignore it?
Ha. No, I think the CDC and the FDA are doing the right thing IMO. I just find it funny that I brought up these people yesterday and now this happens. (I think it was in the political thread).
Way to go NAN! I think the people who look at this pause and use as evidence that their anti-vax stance was correct were already a lost cause. They weren’t getting a shot regardless.

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Postby willeyeam » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:09 am

people don't trust the vaccine because it was rushed

people want it rushed when they pause to make sure nothing is wrong

can't win

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Postby NAN » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:16 am

people don't trust the vaccine because it was rushed

people want it rushed when they pause to make sure nothing is wrong

can't win
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Postby shafnutz05 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:05 am

My wife signed up for the J&J because she didn't want to get the Pfizer/Moderna shots. Naturally, I am rubbing this in her face. #teampfizer

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Postby nocera » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:09 am

Does J&J use the same tech as AZ?

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Postby MalkinIsMyHomeboy » Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:12 am

patented blood-clotting technology

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:37 pm

J&J is no longer the Burger King of vaccines. It's now the Chi Chi's
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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:49 pm

Does J&J use the same tech as AZ?
They are the same technology. AZ, J&J, the Russian one (Sputnik V) and one of the Chinese ones (Convidecia) are all viral vector vaccines. It's the same technology that is sometimes used for flu vaccines. It's also been used for Zika, RSV, HIV, ebola, and malaria.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:50 pm

Stupid.


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Postby count2infinity » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:52 pm

I don't fault a state for stopping when the CDC or FDA says to stop. I can't imagine the liabilities involved if you don't.

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Postby meow » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:53 pm

There have been rumblings of that for the last 48 hours

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Postby LITT » Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:55 pm

I don't fault a state for stopping when the CDC or FDA says to stop. I can't imagine the liabilities involved if you don't.
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