COVID-19

[CBear3]

He said it's a non-factor and there was little to no evidence that church attendance is responsible for COVID transmission.

The post on the prior page goes against that position.

To be fair, does one story about one guy getting it at a church and spreading it to 91 people really put the nail in the coffin?

I mean, im sure there are a lot of one offs like that for a lot of different places.

Is there more data available indicating widespread issues associated with church attendance? I'm asking.

It was also before a mask mandate, and did the parishioner attend multiple services? I think worship is just like any other indoor gathering. If you wear a mask and keep your 6' social distancing, risk of transmission is low. I don't imagine the ventilation system would be a major carrier so it's really about keeping people apart physically.

I went to our worship team's (re:band) rehearsal last night and their rule was only one person on stage could pull their covering down at a time which meant singing through a mask. They are also lucky enough that the area is big enough that they could maintain distancing.

[tifosi77]

To be fair, does one story about one guy getting it at a church and spreading it to 91 people really put the nail in the coffin?

Also, my understanding is the story is not one guy "getting it at church". It's one guy who already had it who went to church and in so doing transmitted it to 50+ other people, who themselves then transmitted it to 40+ other people. (No snark intended, apologies if my understanding of the story is off.)

[King Colby]

He said it's a non-factor and there was little to no evidence that church attendance is responsible for COVID transmission.

The post on the prior page goes against that position.

To be fair, does one story about one guy getting it at a church and spreading it to 91 people really put the nail in the coffin?

I mean, im sure there are a lot of one offs like that for a lot of different places.

Is there more data available indicating widespread issues associated with church attendance? I'm asking.

I think it just means it can spread at church just like any other gathering.

Right. I'm not sure anybody said it couldn't. I believe the conversation at the time was that churches weren't a super spreader. Not sure based on that one story anyone should be shoving Freddy's face in the dirt claiming victory

[dodint]

Yes, that's what I take away from these case studies. They're a sample of a broader behavior. Saying that the 650 from one case or the 100 from another case study somehow proves the other 10,000 churches are squeaky clean is ignorant at best or intellectually dishonest at worst.

It's a (mostly) indoor practice with (predominately) old people that get together to (often) sing, talk, shake hands, etc. It should be looked at with high scrutiny.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Even us backward hick churches are meeting with precautions. We're we're not acting as if believing in Jesus makes you immune from catching covid-19.

I don't know of any churches around us meeting without protocols including social distancing and other such things.

I mean I know we are in South Carolina were all the dumb people live but...

[nocera]

Also, based on nothing but anecdotal evidence, there’s an overlap of church goers and anti-maskers/covid deniers.

The original discussion was around church’s being exempt from Wolf’s 25 person limit for indoor gatherings. For some reason it was okay because it’s a church. I couldn’t follow the logic then and I still can’t.

[dodint]

I mean I know we are in South Carolina were all the dumb people live but...

There are bad practices happening everywhere. My parents put their children (adopted, no relation to me) into a church play recently. I don't think SC or the south or hicks or whatever you identify as has the market cornered on bad practices.

[King Colby]

I have no problem with limiting attendance to 25 for indoor church services (given the current rules). Mine has been doing that and streaming it for everyone else. I'm just saying the victory lap was kinda weird and misrepresented what were looking at here. Not to mention the allegheny county data that came out last night traced less cases to churches than bars, restaurants, parties, gyms, retail stores, weddings, funerals, and out of state travel.

That being said, I'd rather see indoor capacity limits based on square footage as opposed to uniformly applying a limit of 25 people. Sticking with churches, my little tiny church having 25 people inside is a lot different than 25 people in st. Paul's cathedral.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Sticking with churches, my little tiny church having 25 people inside is a lot different than 25 people in st. Paul's cathedral.

i was thinking about this last night. facebook and google h ave algorithms to measure the consistency of one's stool so that they can run an appropriate advertisement. can we get a good mathematical calculation that explains the volume of space that is enough to minimize transmission

[willeyeam]

Also, based on nothing but anecdotal evidence, there’s an overlap of church goers and anti-maskers/covid deniers.

The original discussion was around church’s being exempt from Wolf’s 25 person limit for indoor gatherings. For some reason it was okay because it’s a church. I couldn’t follow the logic then and I still can’t.

That was my recollection. I'm not sure why they should be exempted from any indoor gathering limits

[dodint]

My guess would be 113.1sqft or 904.8cuft per occupant.

Volume of a circle and a sphere with a 6ft radius.

[tifosi77]

I don't think SC or the south or hicks or whatever you identify as has the market cornered on bad practices.

The market appears cornered by, how you say, 'dips**ts'. Which comprises a far broader demographic than I myself believed probable only three months ago, and I straight up hate people (generally).

[tifosi77]

can we get a good mathematical calculation that explains the volume of space that is enough to minimize transmission

We do. That's where the 6-foot recommendation comes from.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Six feet away in a home depot is a lot different than 6 feet away in a bathroom in the civic arena

[tifosi77]

I'm just saying the victory lap was kinda weird and misrepresented what were looking at here.

It's not a victory lap. It's trying to underscore the fact that so long as there are people trying to pooh-pooh certain things as being minimal when the data show they are not, the longer the general encumbrance will be extended.

[nocera]

Six feet away in a home depot is a lot different than 6 feet away in a bathroom in the civic arena

Only 2 people per trough.

[offsides]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Friday that schools across the state are "authorized to open" for the 2020 school year amid the coronavirus pandemic.

New York has had really good numbers lately. went from 900 deaths a day to 9. Herd immunity or the people got smart?

[meow]

Six feet away in a home depot is a lot different than 6 feet away in a bathroom in the civic arena

Only 2 people per trough.

If you've used a trough at Civic, you are immune to COVID

[grunthy]

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Friday that schools across the state are "authorized to open" for the 2020 school year amid the coronavirus pandemic.

New York has had really good numbers lately. went from 900 deaths a day to 9. Herd immunity or the people got smart?

If they don’t rise again during the fall, herd immunity.

[faftorial]

I mean I know we are in South Carolina were all the dumb people live but...

OK, NP.

[obhave]

Our cases in MA are on a slow rise again, seemingly due to large gatherings (even outside ones). Our reopening has been paused and might be scaled back. Not what you want to see with students returning soon.

[Troy Loney]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-jerse ... e?ref=home

This article is putting NY and NJ, I am not sure what the numbers are, but apparently the r in NJ is higher. NY is seemingly doing very well, and I think what the author is essentially arguing is that NY is thought to be more strict with the social distancing rules and that people are being more compliant. I think that's just hypothetical though. But I think they arrive at an interesting possibility, there are more out of state travelers to Jersey for the beaches, the article posits that its because people perceive Jersey to be more open. Maybe no one is really going into NYC, I would imagine tourism has tanked, the restaurants and bars aren't operating, so why would anyone go there that doesn't already live there?

It is possible that NYC has reached herd immunity, but I'm going to go with the disease not being present enough to infect any meaningful number of people.

[tifosi77]

Everything is legal in New Jersey.

[NTP66]

Everything is legal in New Jersey.

Left turns would like a word.

[nocera]

How ya feeling @NAN?