COVID-19

[grunthy]

i have not been wrong on anything related to this and i do not anticipate being wrong about this either

Ok. Good for you. I have not stated whether it works or not. Just that I am waiting for the trials to come out.

How many trials will you need? It seems like every time a trial comes out and says the drug is junk for COVID, you just repeat the “I’ll wait for trials”

This is the first RCT that came out for this drug. I even said cool, it doesn't work for that application. So **** off.I am tired of your bullshit.

We dealt with what for the trials for a month from you. The trials come out and you still are pushing your bullshit

There is essentially ZERO place for Plaquenil in severely ill COVID patients especially with Remdesivir valuable. I also don’t know we can logically believe that it would work in severely ill patients when it didn’t even work as a prophylactic.

This same group has a pre-exposure and early treatment RCT that will be coming out. I have repeatedly said I don't give a flying **** about observational, which even you say (reluctantly i might add) don't show efficacy, and am waiting for these types of trials. I am waiting for these types of trails for all drugs (leronlimab, remdesivir, etc.) to show whether they work or not for COVID. I believe i was the first to post about remdesivir helping reduce the hospital stay. So seriously **** off with the bullshit that I don't care about other drugs that are being tested. This drug is obviously the most talked about because of the orangutan, but not the most studied.

[Trip McNeely]

Ok. Good for you. I have not stated whether it works or not. Just that I am waiting for the trials to come out.

How many trials will you need? It seems like every time a trial comes out and says the drug is junk for COVID, you just repeat the “I’ll wait for trials”

This is the first RCT that came out for this drug. I even said cool, it doesn't work for that application. So **** off.I am tired of your bullshit.

We dealt with what for the trials for a month from you. The trials come out and you still are pushing your bullshit

There is essentially ZERO place for Plaquenil in severely ill COVID patients especially with Remdesivir valuable. I also don’t know we can logically believe that it would work in severely ill patients when it didn’t even work as a prophylactic.

This same group has a pre-exposure and early treatment RCT that will be coming out. I have repeatedly said I don't give a flying **** about observational, which even you say (reluctantly i might add) don't show efficacy, and am waiting for these types of trials. I am waiting for these types of trails for all drugs (leronlimab, remdesivir, etc.) to show whether they work or not for COVID. I believe i was the first to post about remdesivir helping reduce the hospital stay. So seriously **** off with the bullshit that I don't care about other drugs that are being tested. This drug is obviously the most talked about because of the orangutan, but not the most studied.

My fault. You took Bio and Chem 101 on college with some pre-med students. I’ll let the medicining up to you

[grunthy]

i have not been wrong on anything related to this and i do not anticipate being wrong about this either

Ok. Good for you. I have not stated whether it works or not. Just that I am waiting for the trials to come out.

How many trials will you need? It seems like every time a trial comes out and says the drug is junk for COVID, you just repeat the “I’ll wait for trials”

This is the first RCT that came out for this drug. I even said cool, it doesn't work for that application. So **** off.I am tired of your bullshit.

We dealt with what for the trials for a month from you. The trials come out and you still are pushing your bullshit

There is essentially ZERO place for Plaquenil in severely ill COVID patients especially with Remdesivir avaliable. I also don’t know we can logically believe that it would work in severely ill patients when it didn’t even work as a prophylactic.

I am not pushing bullshit either. I said it doesn't work in this application. You certainly as a pharmacist should know that just because a drug doesn't work in one application doesn't mean it doesn't in another.

[count2infinity]

Correct. Works great for malaria. Doesn’t work great for Covid 19.

[grunthy]

Correct. Works great for malaria. Doesn’t work great for Covid 19.

Doesn't work for post-exposure to prevent Covid actually. Still waiting for efficacy trials on others.

[grunthy]

Sorry my username is nobody and some cannot get past their biases. I have definitely tried to be informative from a statistical standpoint ITT and not fall into the hysterics of the situation that we are all dealing with. Some may believe I am “downplaying” the situation but I am not trying to do that.

[count2infinity]

Actually in this case you’re doing the opposite of down playing the situation.

[grunthy]

Actually in this case you’re doing the opposite of down playing the situation.

Well. I apparently haven’t been wrong yet on how severe this disease is, like how LITT apparently hasn’t been wrong about HCQ yet.

[willeyeam]

Lol this is still going huh

[Troy Loney]

Not sure where calling other posters hysterical is part of calm reasoned, statistical analysis.

Also, the US has like 750,000 more cases than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. So saying it was going to get worse Here than Europe was right.

[grunthy]

Not sure where calling other posters hysterical is part of calm reasoned, statistical analysis.

Also, the US has like 750,000 more cases than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. So saying it was going to get worse Here than Europe was right.

Those places have 40% more death than we do.... and that’s with the USA counting with covid, from covid, and probable covid as a confirmed covid death, and most of those countries not doing that.

[Trip McNeely]

I think nobody has posted a lot of relevant and informative stuff on here and he has a good understanding of COVID as a whole. I just am tired of hearing about hydroxychloroquine in general, not just on here

[grunthy]

Just for giggles. Lol

[faftorial]

[grunthy]

Wouldn’t it just circulate out of the shielding?

[offsides]

Make my day!!! Got a notice my wellness center is opening back up Monday. I will be there.

I also see the Meadows Casino is opening up Tuesday. Hopefully the bowling alley there will also open.

The two things I have really missed are coming back.

[faftorial]

[Nuge]

[Troy Loney]

Not sure where calling other posters hysterical is part of calm reasoned, statistical analysis.

Also, the US has like 750,000 more cases than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. So saying it was going to get worse Here than Europe was right.

Those places have 40% more death than we do.... and that’s with the USA counting with covid, from covid, and probable covid as a confirmed covid death, and most of those countries not doing that.

How do you get 40%, there are 109,142 in the US and 137,732 in those five countries combined, that is 26%. This is from the world meters site, and if you take their data as truthful, in the US, 5.74% of cases result in death, the only other country near there is Germany with 4.7%, and those five countries combined (US has about 4 million more people total) have 12.113% of their cases resulting in death. To me that indicates that the US is severely under reporting COVID deaths, I saw some stat where Florida and Texas were reporting thousands of pneumonia deaths in the last few months.

So anyway, to call the take that the US was going to get worse than Europe hysterical has proved wrong. The US is just naturally less dense so it was bound to take longer to spread and have little impact in those parts of the country that are not dense. And this country has done such a shitty job that they haven't even been able to prevent outbreaks from occurring in rural parts of the country, so I would say, it's a pretty objective reality to state that the outbreak is worse in the US than Europe.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Not sure where calling other posters hysterical is part of calm reasoned, statistical analysis.

Also, the US has like 750,000 more cases than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. So saying it was going to get worse Here than Europe was right.

Those places have 40% more death than we do.... and that’s with the USA counting with covid, from covid, and probable covid as a confirmed covid death, and most of those countries not doing that.

How do you get 40%, there are 109,142 in the US and 137,732 in those five countries combined, that is 26%. This is from the world meters site, and if you take their data as truthful, in the US, 5.74% of cases result in death, the only other country near there is Germany with 4.7%, and those five countries combined (US has about 4 million more people total) have 12.113% of their cases resulting in death. To me that indicates that the US is severely under reporting COVID deaths, I saw some stat where Florida and Texas were reporting thousands of pneumonia deaths in the last few months.

So anyway, to call the take that the US was going to get worse than Europe hysterical has proved wrong. The US is just naturally less dense so it was bound to take longer to spread and have little impact in those parts of the country that are not dense. And this country has done such a shitty job that they haven't even been able to prevent outbreaks from occurring in rural parts of the country, so I would say, it's a pretty objective reality to state that the outbreak is worse in the US than Europe.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... hs-uses-f/

and

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/20 ... his-first/

A theory that spread on Twitter and Reddit this week insinuating Florida health officials have masked the toll of the coronavirus by labeling thousands of deaths as caused by pneumonia is not supported by facts, said experts who study morbidity statistics.

Nevertheless, the idea has spread rapidly, appearing to originate with a couple of widely shared and poorly sourced screenshots. It was picked up and swallowed along partisan divisions. Howard Dean, the former Vermont governor and former Democratic presidential candidate, said, “This is really important. Florida is cooking the books on COVID-19 deaths.” And Gwen Graham, the one-time Florida congresswoman and former Democratic gubernatorial hopeful, chimed in with “Florida is undercounting #COVID19 cases and deaths.”

[grunthy]

Not sure where calling other posters hysterical is part of calm reasoned, statistical analysis.

Also, the US has like 750,000 more cases than UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined. So saying it was going to get worse Here than Europe was right.

Those places have 40% more death than we do.... and that’s with the USA counting with covid, from covid, and probable covid as a confirmed covid death, and most of those countries not doing that.

How do you get 40%, there are 109,142 in the US and 137,732 in those five countries combined, that is 26%. This is from the world meters site, and if you take their data as truthful, in the US, 5.74% of cases result in death, the only other country near there is Germany with 4.7%, and those five countries combined (US has about 4 million more people total) have 12.113% of their cases resulting in death. To me that indicates that the US is severely under reporting COVID deaths, I saw some stat where Florida and Texas were reporting thousands of pneumonia deaths in the last few months.

So anyway, to call the take that the US was going to get worse than Europe hysterical has proved wrong. The US is just naturally less dense so it was bound to take longer to spread and have little impact in those parts of the country that are not dense. And this country has done such a shitty job that they haven't even been able to prevent outbreaks from occurring in rural parts of the country, so I would say, it's a pretty objective reality to state that the outbreak is worse in the US than Europe.

We are not severely under-reporting deaths. In fact we are over-reporting so far by about 4k deaths when taking in the all cause death lag (Basically the dates where the CDC has most of the data from the states since they don't get most info for weeks) by the CDC. We might see here soon that instead of having excess deaths, we will have way below normal all cause deaths in the US.

The UK, Spain, France, and Italy have thousands in gaps for the All cause excess deaths. I messed up on on the percentage, but 26% is still significant.

[Freddy Rumsen]

No spike from Ozark pool parties.

[Troy Loney]

So, the US is over-reporting deaths, and those euro countries are under reporting? Yet the US has less than half the rate of cases resulting in death as those countries? So, I guess we are then to believe that the US is also over-reporting cases and those countries are under-reporting cases?

I think the data is trash from everywhere, so it seems like drawing any conclusions at this point would be a mistake. So pointing to the reported death rates would seem like an erroneous way of justifying a position that saying it's going to get as bad in the US as Europe is hysterical.

The parts of the US that have comparable density to those Euro countries, have seen similar outbreaks and outcomes.

[grunthy]

Nothing happened from gatherings at beaches either.

[Troy Loney]

These protests are far more likely to cause new outbreaks than outdoor pool parties, but even so, people are far less likely to spread the disease outdoors. People on twitter sharing those pictures of outside crowds are jackasses to try and call people out are stupid.