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Postby willeyeam » Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:25 pm

Lol

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:35 am

Hayes, Tucker, Bell in the infield. Cutch, Marte, Polanco in the OF. Cole, Morton, Glasnow, Taillon in the rotation. Oh what could have been if things went right and we had an owner that spent money
McCutchen's post Pirates' contracts have been absolutely affordable, Cole would be gone for sure. But man, a lot of this disaster doesn't even have anything to do with money, this was NH just completely imploding, along with the rest of the organization after 2015, between Hurdle/Searage torpedoing the values of Cole and Glasnow, NH dealing Cole at his absolute bottom, then just getting absolutely fleeced by TBR to get Archer. Then holding on to his pedophile closer for nothing less than a king's ransom, to then lose him to prison.

Kind of have to just accept Cherington looking at that 4 year self-implosion and saying, "idgaf what happens the next 3 years, we're rebuilding".

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:39 am

that's why I included "if things went right" as well

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:39 am

this will be a crappy couple of years though

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:56 am

I don't even think you can put a time frame on when they will get better.

Until there is a franchise player in the system (and performing like a franchise player), there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

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Postby willeyeam » Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:59 am

ke'bryan hayes brah

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:19 am

This dude is not hitting 3rd for a playoff team.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:21 am

This dude is not hitting 3rd for a playoff team.
I think the core of the next contender is going to have to come from the 2021 & 2022 1st round picks and the returns they get from Bell and Taillon.

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Postby Morkle » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:22 am

This dude is not hitting 3rd for a playoff team.
I think the core of the next contender is going to have to come from the 2021 & 2022 1st round picks and the returns they get from Bell and Taillon.
I'll be anxious to see what they get. They absolutely can't afford to fail on these trades.

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:30 am

Here is how I am seeing things. Bell and Taillon are the big trade chips over the next 1-2 years.

Keller, Newman, Reynolds, Tucker will be fixtures through the dark days and maybe one of them will emerge as another big trade chip.

Frazier, Musgrove, Williams, Kuhl, Polanco, Archer, they will likely hold them to both occupy ML playing time and in hopes that they create some trade value.

The rest of this 25 man is mostly spare parts, not going to generate anything in a trade, never going to be expense, and never going to produce in a way that will elevate the team out of "rebuild mode".

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-42-pros ... h-pirates/

There are a few more guys on this list that will graduate in 2021 -2022, but a lot are only around 20 years old, so any meaningful prospect wave is going to include their draft rewards for futility. So the guys that are/will be trickling in (Hayes, Oliva, Cruz) will get the opportunities to prove they are MLB starters and could be part of the next window (maybe they sign someone like Keller to a team friendly extension to ensure they are on the team for a long time).

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:33 am

Bell can't play a position and is a below-average hitter and Taillon gets hurt all the time. How are they big trade chips?

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Postby Troy Loney » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:36 am

Relative to the rest of their trade able assets.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:55 am

J-Mo is roughly the same age as Jason Schmidt when Schmidt was traded by the bucs. Schmidt was healthier as a bucco but I feel like J-Mo has the higher upside.

Hopefully the return for J-Mo is better than the ghastly Schmidt trade

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:21 am

Schmidt set the stage for the 2011 resurgence.

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Postby Freddy Rumsen » Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:23 am

Also, Cutch has had a very respectable career. I bet he gets to 2,000 hits and a 1,000 RBI's.

Batting average .286
Hits 1,695
Home runs 238
Runs batted in 842

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:39 pm

FREE HAYES

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:01 pm

FREE HAYES
Today's post gazette addressed this grievance. According to fearless manager Shelton, Thursday was a pre determined maintenance day for Hayes. Apparently the powers that be decided that playing a day game after a night game is too much to ask from him because he hasn't played any real games this year. Keep in mind this is a 23 year old professional athlete. Sigh.

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:54 pm

My then 10 year old used to play 4-5 games in two days. Six inning games, and he usually pitched some both days.

I would understand in a 162 game season there will be nagging injuries and the grind of it, but it's a sprint this season. Let the kid play. What's the harm with 20 games left or whatever?

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:36 pm

FREE HAYES
Today's post gazette addressed this grievance. According to fearless manager Shelton, Thursday was a pre determined maintenance day for Hayes. Apparently the powers that be decided that playing a day game after a night game is too much to ask from him because he hasn't played any real games this year. Keep in mind this is a 23 year old professional athlete. Sigh.
Such pussies. Cal Ripken Jr.’s streak wouldn’t have made it two weeks in modern baseball.

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Postby King Colby » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:44 pm

Ok bell stinks. So whoever said big trade value for bell (stinks) and taillon (will be a 29 year old two-time TJer who has pitched 37 innings since 2018) was not correct.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:30 pm

Relative to the rest of their trade able assets.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:32 pm

“Cody Ponce” once again wins a ballgame. Hayes managed to muster the strength to play all 14 innings and collected 3 hits.

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Postby Faftorial » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:44 pm

I'm in the 2nd of the nightcap and Josh Bell sucks.

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Postby Dickie Dunn » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:17 am

“Cody Ponce” once again wins a ballgame. Hayes managed to muster the strength to play all 14 innings and collected 3 hits.
Assuming Hayes will spend tomorrow in an iron long and be unavailable.

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Postby King Colby » Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:24 am

Some guys in the bullpen are actually performing pretty well. Sam Howard... where TF did he come from? Rich Rod looks great. Turley, Tropeano, Stratton, and even Hartlieb look decent as well.

Hopefully a few of those guys are real and can play here next season.

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