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Well, there are certain times when that sort of criticism is valid and a totally accurate description of the entire movie. Like, for example, Prometheus. To paraphrase Adam Savage's review, if you didn't already think that was a terrible movie, you can ruin it by simply asking yourself 'why did anyone do anything?'

And by Finn, you mean Poe.

Re Prometheus,

there is no action that any character takes that can be believably explained by the story. They travel three years across space and find the aliens by looking left about 30 seconds after arriving. The boss scientist 'chooses to believe' things. The geologist who brings a 3D laser mapping tool gets lost. (Which the mapping tool is able to transmit its data back to the mothership during a sand storm, but voice comms don't work. Go fig.) The other scientist goes into an alcoholic depression because the aliens are dead, never mind that such a discovery would still be the grand discovery of human existence. The two prettiest people in the crew have sex, because what else are they supposed to do. The Engineer wakes up from hypersleep, and the android addresses him in his own language, apparently saying "this old man is here to steal your Creation Magic; you should rip my head off and bludgeon him to death with it". It's such a beautiful mess of a movie. I feel like I should watch it again, but follow the Adam Savage advice of watching it in a foreign language with English subtitles.

Poe: Hi, I'm holding for General Hugs.
Hux: This is Hux. You and your friends are doomed. We will wipe your filth from the galaxy!
Poe: [pauses] Okay, I'll hold.
Hux: Hello?
Poe: Hello? Yup, I'm still here.
Hux: Can you— can he hear me?
Poe: Hugs?
Captain Canady: He can.
Poe: With an 'H'? Skinny guy? Kinda pasty?
Hux: [becoming increasingly annoyed] I can hear you. Can you hear me?
Poe: Look, I can't hold forever. If you reach him, tell him Leia has an urgent message for him...
Canady: I believe he's tooling with you, sir.
Poe: [snarkily and smugly] ...about his mother.

Poe: Hi, I'm holding for General Hugs.
Hux: This is Hux. You and your friends are doomed. We will wipe your filth from the galaxy!
Poe: [pauses] Okay, I'll hold.
Hux: Hello?
Poe: Hello? Yup, I'm still here.
Hux: Can you— can he hear me?
Poe: Hugs?
Captain Canady: He can.
Poe: With an 'H'? Skinny guy? Kinda pasty?
Hux: [becoming increasingly annoyed] I can hear you. Can you hear me?
Poe: Look, I can't hold forever. If you reach him, tell him Leia has an urgent message for him...
Canady: I believe he's tooling with you, sir.
Poe: [snarkily and smugly] ...about his mother.

That's top notch dialogue there.

For others, they don't want any sort of outright humor in their Star Wars movies. Most of the comedy worked for me, though I will admit that the stuff that missed, missed really badly. Namely Luke milking that space cow thing...

Who is Poe Dameron in this trilogy? He's Han Solo..... not in the sense of the swashbuckling pilot (well, he's that, too), but in the sense of he's the guy in the fantasy universe who is commenting on the absurdity of everything, the avatar for the audience. Movies like this just don't work without someone winking at you.

The first scene of TLJ is about setting Poe up as an unwitting foil for the Resistance, because of his brashness. How do you think that guy is going to interact with General Hux? (Who is a character that has already been revealed as something of a scene-chewing caricature of a military leader.) Poe's not going to be super serious in his interactions; this is the guy who's first exchange with Kylo Ren is a joke, observing how silly Ren looks and sounds in that mask. He's going to be Maverick-flipping-the-MiG-pilot-the-bird. He's Han telling the dude on the radio "We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?".

There is nothing wrong with that scene, and you are a poo poo head.

Yes to every word.

Many believe Disney should pump the breaks and not put out a Star Wars movie each year.
I made the timing decision, and as I look back, I think the mistake that I made — I take the blame — was a little too much, too fast. You can expect some slowdown, but that doesn't mean we're not gonna make films. J.J. [Abrams] is busy making [Episode] IX. We have creative entities, including [Game of Thrones creators David] Benioff and [D.B.] Weiss, who are developing sagas of their own, which we haven't been specific about. And we are just at the point where we're gonna start making decisions about what comes next after J.J.'s. But I think we're gonna be a little bit more careful about volume and timing. And the buck stops here on that.

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Many believe Disney should pump the breaks and not put out a Star Wars movie each year.
I made the timing decision, and as I look back, I think the mistake that I made — I take the blame — was a little too much, too fast. You can expect some slowdown, but that doesn't mean we're not gonna make films. J.J. [Abrams] is busy making [Episode] IX. We have creative entities, including [Game of Thrones creators David] Benioff and [D.B.] Weiss, who are developing sagas of their own, which we haven't been specific about. And we are just at the point where we're gonna start making decisions about what comes next after J.J.'s. But I think we're gonna be a little bit more careful about volume and timing. And the buck stops here on that.

Regardless of how you feel about TLJ, this is probably a good idea.