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Postby nocera » Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:39 pm

Nailed it.

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Postby Gaucho » Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:48 pm

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Postby tifosi77 » Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:56 pm

I believe De Palma's first reaction at the conclusion of of the film was "What is this s**t??" I've heard he had a similar reaction to Ep I, and his bristling caused a bit of a rift between the two - in 1999 Lucas did not need De Palma's advice any more, you see.

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Postby nocera » Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:01 pm

Those of us who saw Episode 1 would disagree.

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Postby nocera » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:25 pm

I am 2.5 episodes in, and it is spectacular. Much of it is known legend, of course. But hearing all the primary players tell the story first hand is wonderful.

One bit of factual record correction (or erroneous memory on my part) that I appreciate: For years - pretty much my whole life - I thought Battlestar Galactica was a 'rogue' production that Dykstra did almost out of spite for getting canned from proto-ILM. I didn't realize it was filler material to keep that core crew from Star Wars working while Lucas got the early days of the Ep V project put together, and that it was only after that, when Lucas was moving the team to Marin, that Dykstra got ye boot.
This is a great show but every time Lucas talks I'm reminded how old he is now. The last time I heard a long sit down with him was probably the 2015 Charlie Rose interview. He's 78 now and you can hear the age in his voice.

Also I'm so happy that Phil Tippett is involved in this. I want a whole doc just about dinosaur supervisor Phil Tippett. What a career.

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Postby nocera » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:51 pm

Finished Light & Magic and thoroughly enjoyed every episode. It's also funny hearing them talk about the Volume so lovingly. Of course they went overboard and overused it to the point where it hindered the look of some of the shows. They were so excited that it was possible that they just threw everything up in the Volume rather than determining the best way to accomplish each shot. I'm sure the cost was also much more appealing than shooting on location or building more of a physical set. I'm happy to see Andor moving in the other direction.

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Postby tifosi77 » Thu Aug 11, 2022 3:43 pm

StageCraft is going to change the way movies (filmed entertainment, generally) are made in the same way CGI first revolutionized the craft 30 years ago.

I disagree with the sense that the D+ shows feel 'small' because of StageCraft. All of the shows have been extremely scaled down character-driven dramas, as opposed to the operatic nature of the Saga and Story films; that necessarily means a more close-in vibe, regardless of the particulars of how it was shot. In terms of the mis- or overuse of StageCraft, there are a handful of scenes in Kenobi that were completely head-scratchy in their composition, but otherwise I don't really get what you're talking about. (It was all the more confounding because Chow directed two of the better Chapters in Mando Se1, and they were both pretty action-heavy)

In terms of 'determining the best way to accomplish each shot'; they're TV shows, StageCraft is the best way to accomplish a shot. (There are at least half a dozen shots in the Andor trailer that I'd love to know how they shot if they weren't using StageCraft; I remain somewhat dubious about the "we didn't use The Volume" claims.)

Look at a feature like The Batman: Something like 95% of the Penguin car chase was shot on a StageCraft volume, and almost every single skyline vista was the same. There isn't a problem with the tech.

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Postby nocera » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:01 pm

There are full scenes in OB1 and Fett that have zero depth at all. There’s a scene in I think Kenobi where a person waves a gun at a Tie Fighter on a screen. (Man those shows are totally unmemorable). It looks like a more advanced rear projection. It’s not the tech that’s the problem, it’s the over-reliance and/or misuse. Much like green screen has its place but Lucas went way overboard with it while shooting 2 & 3.

The Volume works great for extending sets but it shouldn’t fully replace location shooting.

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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 12:50 am

Replacing location shooting is exactly why StageCraft is the future, especially for smaller budget stuff.

There are unique logistical challenges that the technology brings in (it front-loads work that normally wouldn't happen until months after shooting), but those challenges also bring opportunities that green screen never could. A single shot can have live-action, motion control, and stop motion elements all dynamically lit and seen by actors on set and all photographed by one camera at the same time

There will always be a place for location work. But StageCraft a tremendously liberating tool for filmmakers.

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Postby nocera » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:08 am

I understand the possibilities and why it’s cool, but the way it has been utilized thus far creates flat, boring cinematography. The best approach is likely a combination of techniques rather than shooting the entire production in front of LED screens.

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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:31 pm

One thing I do like is that two grown ass adults with a shared appreciation of the subject matter can have a nice back and forth on the subject from opposite POV and not get pissy about it. You dick.

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Postby Gaucho » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:44 pm

heh

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Postby nocera » Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:53 pm

Spoken like a man who knows he's wrong.

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Postby Lemon Berry Lobster » Thu Sep 01, 2022 7:48 pm

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Postby eddy » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:35 pm

Here we go. Rebels absolutely nailed it with their characters, better so than most in the actual movies.


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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 2:49 pm

Ezra is the same age as Luke & Leia, so if dude man here is mid-20s to early-30s that would make him age-appropriate enough for the timeline of the show where he could be Young Ezra in flashbacks or Present Ezra.

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Postby MrKennethTKangaroo » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:07 pm

If this Ezra character is not the spawn of, or parent of, someone else in the original trilogy, I am not interested

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Postby eddy » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:12 pm

You should be, I'd say he's been one of the best characters in all of star wars. Much better than Luke imo

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Postby eddy » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:12 pm

Oh I see

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Postby nocera » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:38 pm

This is going to be another character that I don't appreciate because I don't know the cartoon's backstory, isn't it? And like Ahsoka, if you don't know the animated story, you ain't going to get anything from the live action version.

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Postby DigitalGypsy66 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:40 pm

Sounds like you have some watching to do. 😂

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Postby nocera » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:43 pm

I tried. It's not for me. I'm starting to realize the Disney+ shows aren't really for me either except Mando.

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Postby tifosi77 » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:45 pm

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Postby nocera » Fri Sep 09, 2022 3:50 pm

:lol: What? I didn't even offer any criticisms. I know the cartoons are beloved. I just can't get into them.

And, let's not act like any of the other D+ series have been home runs. I'm looking forward to Andor though.

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Postby meow » Fri Sep 09, 2022 4:00 pm

:lol: What? I didn't even offer any criticisms. I know the cartoons are beloved. I just can't get into them.

And, let's not act like any of the other D+ series have been home runs. I'm looking forward to Andor though.
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