Police earning the hate

[AuthorTony]

Lawsuit: Troopers used bulldozer to pursue man with 10 marijuana plants, killing him

https://www.wtae.com/article/lawsuit-ma ... e/26879024

So much in that article. I love how the State Police brought a helicopter in to search for a guy who was growing 10 marijuana plants and who, apparently, many involved knew where he lived, worked, etc. Seems like an excellent use of taxpayer resources, even before they killed the guy.

[tifosi77]

I feel like Shyster recently got a lame speeding ticket, or something like that.

[shafnutz05]

Lawsuit: Troopers used bulldozer to pursue man with 10 marijuana plants, killing him

https://www.wtae.com/article/lawsuit-ma ... e/26879024

Read about this earlier. It's insane to me that police decided to use a bulldozer to plow through the forest to catch a guy that wasn't dangerous, but merely growing pot plants. Good lord.

[Troy Loney]

I saw a tweet thread the other day where a half a dozen plain clothes officers assaulted a 19 year old in NYC. He rode a delivery scooter to one of those mini-mart places to pick up stuff for the restaurant he worked at. The officers, assuming the scooter was stolen started circling the bike while he was in the store, a worker at the store who knew the kid, told him that people were messing with his bike. And then, somewhere in that interaction with the kid and the plain clothes cops, it ended up a bunch of cops beating the piss out of the kid.

[Pavel Bure]

Is it though?

I could make a thread and cherry pick videos of police doing good things.

Would it be a 'bad thread'?

Aren’t they expected to do good things?

[dodint]

Is it though?

I could make a thread and cherry pick videos of police doing good things.

Would it be a 'bad thread'?

Aren’t they expected to do good things?

I'd prefer not to notice them at all either way.

Data shows that the actions depicted in the videos here are extreme outliers. I could spend a few minutes and also find some extreme outliers in the other direction. Exceptional behavior in either direction doesn't stand to characterize the general actions of a group.

[Troy Loney]

Is it though?

I could make a thread and cherry pick videos of police doing good things.

Would it be a 'bad thread'?

Aren’t they expected to do good things?

I'd prefer not to notice them at all either way.

Data shows that the actions depicted in the videos here are extreme outliers. I could spend a few minutes and also find some extreme outliers in the other direction. Exceptional behavior in either direction doesn't stand to characterize the general actions of a group.

Extreme outliers in what sense?

[dodint]

In the sense that every police department in the country has numerous interactions with their citizenship every single day and a only a handful per, what, year(?) end up like these videos. They're not commonplace occurrences; they are the extreme exception. Some of these videos are 5-10 years old.

I'm not at all denying that there are systemic issues with law enforcement that need to be addressed. I'm not even saying this thread is 'bad.' But is it intellectually honest? Nahhhh.

[Troy Loney]

I mean like, here's my impression. The proportion of cops that engage in what would otherwise be assault is not any more or less when compared to the regular populace. And if it is, that's simply a product of the work. But the issue is that they have engineered the system so that they are never accountable for these acts. We are to believe that they shouldn't be held accountable because of the nature of the work and how that contributes to the occurrence of their conduct. But what this thread is intending to do I believe, is strip that context away and reflect the actual context, which would strip away the pretense that cops should be immune to accountability.

[dodint]

While I agree on your point about lack of accountability, I don't think this thread is that nuanced. Given what I 'know' about Shyster he's simply attempting to characterize state actors as bad. In this case it happens to be cops. We could do a similar thread on the military. Or worse, Congress.

[NAN]

In the sense that every police department in the country has numerous interactions with their citizenship every single day and a only a handful per, what, year(?) end up like these videos. They're not commonplace occurrences; they are the extreme exception. Some of these videos are 5-10 years old.

I'm not at all denying that there are systemic issues with law enforcement that need to be addressed. I'm not even saying this thread is 'bad.' But is it intellectually honest? Nahhhh.

[NAN]

While I agree on your point about lack of accountability, I don't think this thread is that nuanced. Given what I 'know' about Shyster he's simply attempting to characterize state actors as bad. In this case it happens to be cops. We could do a similar thread on the military. Or worse, Congress.

[Troy Loney]

While I agree on your point about lack of accountability, I don't think this thread is that nuanced. Given what I 'know' about Shyster he's simply attempting to characterize state actors as bad. In this case it happens to be cops. We could do a similar thread on the military. Or worse, Congress.

I don't believe congress would get immunity for murder like cops do. The military has jurisdiction issues. I think the impact of bad policing is more relevant to our everyday lives.

[dodint]

Cops don't have immunity for murder. They're given wide discretion, and that discretion certainly needs more scrutiny (good thread!), but 'immunity' as a concept is a tough sell to me when I can see a cop on trial for murder from my office window right now.

[Troy Loney]

Right, immunity is the wrong word. But it is the exceptional situation where the cop faces anything like a trial for killing someone.

[NAN]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... 3f22f333e8

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/ ... ng-1116039

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/ ... 19750.html

https://nypost.com/2017/12/07/cop-who-k ... in-prison/

https://www.ranker.com/list/ex-cops-in- ... nker-crime

[Troy Loney]

I'm not sure how that supports your argument.
But ok.

[dodint]

I assume he was rebutting your 'immunity' claim which you corrected while he was googling.

[NAN]

I assume he was rebutting your 'immunity' claim which you corrected while he was googling.

That. And it's pretty much doing what this thread is doing. Googling outliers and making it the norm.

[Troy Loney]

But it's just more instances of cops committing crimes.

[Jim]

Yep... Too many people follow the RESPECT AUTHORITY crap and think that just by not answering their questions he deserved it.

Yeah, but you already know that the vast majority of cops were just the bullies in high school that became cops to continue to be bullies and are literally driving around looking for low-threat situations to stick it to people that are generally minding their own business. Knowing that they are just looking for reasons to relive their glory days back in high school... why not just give them your ID and end the bullpoo before it even gets rolling? If you want to verbally smack them down and make then fell like the immature assclowns that they are, fine, but give them the ID so they have no reason to keep pushing the situation forward.

[dodint]

Yeah. See, now that's a fine exhibit of what I'm talking about. People like Jim looking for a reason to be offended and getting a rage boner over this kind of stuff.

[MWB]

In the sense that every police department in the country has numerous interactions with their citizenship every single day and a only a handful per, what, year(?) end up like these videos. They're not commonplace occurrences; they are the extreme exception. Some of these videos are 5-10 years old.

I'm not at all denying that there are systemic issues with law enforcement that need to be addressed. I'm not even saying this thread is 'bad.' But is it intellectually honest? Nahhhh.

I'm not even sure how this is a debatable point. Every occupation that would be considered for "the good of the people" has bad people. Society is made up of good people, bad people, and everyone in between. And they are spread among all jobs.

[Jim]

Yeah. See, now that's a fine exhibit of what I'm talking about. People like Jim looking for a reason to be offended and getting a rage boner over this kind of stuff.

Offended? No. It takes a lot to offend me. I do not need a safe space like some people. And if you think that what I said is a rage boner, you need to get out more.

I have had a decent amount of interactions with the police though. Never arrested or even officially "detained" but a lot of interactions; in professional situations, while out, and some with off-duty police in social situations. Some genuinely want to make the world a better place, but unfortunately far too many are pigs. And you can have 5 good cops at a situation, and 1 jackhole bully cop... and all that anyone is going to remember is the jackhole because he is going to be the loud one throwing his weight around while the other 5 wish that he would move to another city.

[shafnutz05]

The thing with a lot of cops being former bullies, jocks, military dropouts, etc is very true, and I think a major contributing factor to most of the incidences of abuses of power.