Police earning the hate

[Shyster]

MR25 and Shyster, the dynamic duo of blind police hate!

I'm not sure I'd say I personally hate the police. I sure don't like them. Police do have a tough job. But that doesn't mean they can or should be able to get away with anything they want, which in this country they pretty much can and do. It's disgusting to me that the people who literally have the lives of the public in their hands are so unaccountable. And they know it. It's why they know they can lie and get away with it. It why they know that can engage in retaliatory arrests because someone "disrespected" them and get away with it. It's why they know they can fabricate evidence and get away with it.

I do think the trend may be changing. BLM and the protests are playing a part in that, but I think more than anything body cameras and a video recorder in everyone's phone are increasing accountability for the police. It's one thing to be told that police lie. It's another thing to watch a video and then read the police report or the police department's statement and see that the report doesn't match reality, such as the Buffalo police first trying to say that the old man they violently shoved to the ground " “tripped and fell.” I remain hopeful that we might be heading toward greater police accountability, but there's a long, long way to go.

"Blind" also implies hate (or dislike) without reason. There are 30 pages in this thread demonstrating why police have earned the dislike.

[Shyster]

Washington Police Officer Charged With Murdering Man Outside Grocery Store
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/j ... harge.html

A police officer in a Seattle suburb was charged on Thursday with murdering a man outside a grocery store under a new state law that makes it easier to hold the police accountable for the unjustified use of deadly force.

The officer, Jeffrey Nelson, was the first police officer to be charged by prosecutors in King County, Wash., under the law, which was approved in 2018 by Washington State voters, prosecutors said.

Prosecutors said that Officer Nelson, 41, had shot and killed Jesse Sarey, 26, while trying to arrest him on a disorderly-conduct charge outside Sunshine Grocery in Auburn, Wash., on May 31, 2019. The entire encounter lasted 67 seconds and was captured on nearby surveillance video, prosecutors said.

Officer Nelson “needlessly provoked the circumstances that led to Mr. Sarey’s death,” by failing to de-escalate the situation, not waiting for backup, laying his hands on Mr. Sarey after 38 seconds and then fatally shooting him 29 second later, prosecutors said.

[Shyster]

Fmr. Dallas police officer pleads guilty to possession of ‘sadistic’ child porn
https://www.wistv.com/2020/08/21/fmr-da ... hild-porn/

DALLAS, Texas (KCBD) - A former Dallas police officer pleaded guilty on Friday to possessing sexually explicit images of young girls.

U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Texas Erin Nealy Cox says 35-year-old Daniel Lee Collins, a former senior corporal, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. According to plea papers, Collins admitted he accessed child pornography via his Google email account in spring 2020.

Collins also admitted he knew the images showed actual minors, including a nude prepubescent female, and portrayed “sadistic or masochistic conduct.” He also acknowledged that on occasion, he knowingly distributed a file containing sexually explicit images of a child.

According to a criminal complaint filed in July, the investigation was triggered when Google detected sexually explicit images uploaded to Collin’s Google account through the City of Dallas’ internet network.

Google flagged the images – one uploaded on May 13 to an account tagged “Dan Collins” and two more uploaded on June 29 to an account tagged “John Smith” – to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which filed a Cyber Tipline report with the Dallas Police Department.

A Dallas IT specialist traced the IP addresses used for the uploads to the City of Dallas internet network. Investigators determined that the same Google accounts were also accessed from Collin’s residence.

Collins, who resigned from the Dallas Police Department earlier this week, now faces up to 20 years in federal prison. His sentencing is slated for Jan. 8, 2021.

[tifosi77]

Okay, this is for sure the wrong takeaway re the Jacob Blake shooting in Wisconsin, but..................... the cop starting shooting the guy at a range of 1 arm length, sent 7 rounds into him, and..... didn't kill him?

[CBear3]

No wonder he fired seven times, it obviously wasn’t enough

[tifosi77]

Perhaps I characterized it incorrectly, and it would've been more accurate to simply say he fired 7 rounds. I have no idea if made 7 hits.

[NAN]

"Blind" also implies hate (or dislike) without reason. There are 30 pages in this thread demonstrating why police have earned the dislike.

Well yeah, when you singularly focus on one side of the story which probably represent a small percentage of police interaction with people, sure it will look horrible.

I agree that there needs to be reform. I agree we need to get the bad cops out. I absolutely agree that body cameras and phones and constant eyes on things are going to help and be the main driver for change, which it should. And I do agree that the change is going to take time. But change is 100% needed.

But again, when you look at only one side of things, and have a singular focus on it, and refuse to have an open mind and see the whole picture, "blind" hate typically develops.

[Morkle]

Jacob Blake paralyzed from the waist down and doctors have found an 8th bullet hole.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

Small point, but does the number of bullets fired really matter?

like, from what I understand, cops and others with guns are trained to shoot to kill, not shoot to wound or subdue. Does it really matter if they fired 7 shots or 89?

I’m not saying they’re justified, just wondering because people keep emphasizing the number of shots and I don’t know if that actually matters

[MR25]

Because it was 7 shots from point blank range, in the back, while holding his shirt.

It's overkill, for one, and there was no need to shoot in the first place.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

my point is the “7 shots” are irrelevant. They were shooting to kill when they opened fire. It didn’t matter if they shot 1 or 100

I just think it’s the wrong thing to focus on. Not that anyone’s really focusing on it. I fully concede that it’s a minor thing

[NAN]

Small point, but does the number of bullets fired really matter?

like, from what I understand, cops and others with guns are trained to shoot to kill, not shoot to wound or subdue. Does it really matter if they fired 7 shots or 89?

I’m not saying they’re justified, just wondering because people keep emphasizing the number of shots and I don’t know if that actually matters

I agree. I've never been in that situation and hope to never be in it, but if I truly feel like I"m in danger, I'm unloading most likely, w/o thinking. I'd probably also miss and I'm not trained, but this isn't the movies where someone shoots one shot and hits someone square in the center of the forehead. Even at point blank you are still struggling, moving, and in an intense situation. I'm sure someone not like "ok, I can only pull the trigger 2 times for it to be "OK" for others".

[count2infinity]

Cops should not be killing guilty people. Cops should not be killing innocent people. Cops should not be killing anyone. Just one man's opinion.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

direct quote from @count2infinity: "cops shouldn't kill Hitler even if they had the chance"

[Kane]

[count2infinity]

I know you're making a joke, but I'd argue that Hitler should not have been killed. He should have been tried and punished in other ways. Death was too convenient for him.

[obhave]

Cops should not be killing guilty people. Cops should not be killing innocent people. Cops should not be killing anyone. Just one man's opinion.

[NAN]

Cops should not be killing guilty people. Cops should not be killing innocent people. Cops should not be killing anyone. Just one man's opinion.

I have no problem with a cop killing someone if they are in immediate danger. If someone has a gun pointing at them or some other weapon, and are threatening to either kill them (the cop) or someone else (a hostage), and you have to make the decision, or if someone is firing at you, then I have no problem.

essentially, to me, there are times where I feel it is needed, but it should be extremely dire before it excercised.

[count2infinity]

That is very, very rare. Very.

[CBear3]

Cops should not be killing guilty people. Cops should not be killing innocent people. Cops should not be killing anyone. Just one man's opinion.

Right, a cop shouldn't be making a final judgement on a person. But also like NAN says, they have a right to self defense like you or I.

It should be exceedingly rare, but there are circumstances.

[MR25]

So here's where I start to lose that argument:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ng-police/

This man (who was white) shot at police with an AK47 after causing a scene for being told to wear a mask. This was chalked up to the man "not handling the pandemic well".

How does what Jacob Brown did/was doing deserve the same result as someone who was actively shooting at police?

It's the inconsistencies with which deadly force is applied that are the crux of the issue, here. As c2i says, they should outside of very, very rare circumstances. But unfortunately that's not our reality.

[skullman80]

So here's where I start to lose that argument:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ng-police/

This man (who was white) shot at police with an AK47 after causing a scene for being told to wear a mask. This was chalked up to the man "not handling the pandemic well".

How does the man in this article, who actually had a gun AND was using it to fire at police, get treated with kid gloves while Jacob Brown gets shot in the back 7 times?

It's the inconsistencies with which deadly force is applied that are the crux of the issue, here.

I'm not one to stick up for police, but I mean in this case police did fire back at him and hit him. Maybe they were just better shots? They did return fire though.. so not handled with kid gloves.

"The next day, cornered near his home, Zaborowski allegedly fired at police with an AK-47, sparking a wild shootout with at least seven officers that ended with him shot multiple times and under arrest."

[MR25]

Kid gloves was incorrect phrasing on my part.

But in this case, they were in a shootout and were still able to bring the man in, and chalked this all up to "oh well he was just having a bad day". The cops responded appropriately in this scenario.

I still can't see how you can take the Jacob Brown case and say it was in anyway handled correctly. An unarmed man walking away from a situation should not get shot 7 times.

[MR25]

I edited my wording in the post skullman quoted to more effectively express the point I was trying to make. I got ahead of myself when trying to make the point.

[NAN]

So here's where I start to lose that argument:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... ng-police/

This man (who was white) shot at police with an AK47 after causing a scene for being told to wear a mask. This was chalked up to the man "not handling the pandemic well".

How does what Jacob Brown did/was doing deserve the same result as someone who was actively shooting at police?

It's the inconsistencies with which deadly force is applied that are the crux of the issue, here. As c2i says, they should outside of very, very rare circumstances. But unfortunately that's not our reality.

Uh, the cops shot him?

Edit: Saw your response too late (didn't read all the way down).