2019 Pittsburgh Pirates Season Thread

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Good thing they waited like 4 months to go ahead with the surgery. Feel terrible for the dude. From a fan perspective, I look forward to GMNH getting asked about it and the impact it will have on next season's rotation and his answer being "Well, Chad Kuhl will be coming back".

Either way he would have missed 2020 though, so waiting probably didn’t really matter.

Hopefully they will do some selling this offseason, they probably have to make everyone available, obviously marte and Vazquez, but bell has to be made available too, he might never be more valuable.

Bell is entering Y1 of arbitration, which means in 2020 he wont be making the market rate, but he won't be making $587,000 either. he is a free agent after 2022, so the pirates have three years of arbitration. lets play out three scenerios:

Scenario A: after a offseason of more hard work, bell figures out how to avoid spells where he strikes out 40% of the time, swings at everything, and hits nothing. he puts together two or three more years of all star caliber baseball. RESULT: Pirates won't be able to afford him when he is an FA and probably wont want to afford him in his final year in arbitration when he will make $15 million+. The odds of this team turning it around by 2022 are slim, especially with no top level starting pitching in the pipeline. They sure as **** wont pay him market rate in his free agent years. So you might as well trade him.

Scenario B: He keeps putting together years like he is right now. Result: The odds of this team turning it around by 2022 are slim, especially with no top level starting pitching in the pipeline. Pirates won't want to pay him whatever he gets in arbitration, and they won't want to give him a deal to but out free agent years because they won't pay him market value. So you might as well trade him.

Scenario C: Teams figure out how to continually exploit his flaws and he flames out like pedro. RESULT: like pedro, he goes to Baltimore and stinks.

conclusion: you might as well listen to trade offers because this team will be middling through 2022.

[Morkle]

So are we all in agreement that GMNH has to go right?

[Freddy Rumsen]

That's the thing that has me nonplussed about whatever they decide to do in the offseason because pitching in the farm system is as you said completely non-existent and it's not like there's a ton of high level prospects at other positions either.

We are entering into another 10 to 15 years stretch of what we saw from 92 to 2012.

[Morkle]

I have no faith that this team can draft and develop event mid-range talent in middle rounds into anything serviceable. They need to clean house, completely.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

I have no faith that this team can draft and develop event mid-range talent in middle rounds into anything serviceable. They need to clean house, completely.

to be fair, no one has much success at drafting players in middle rounds

[Morkle]

I mean I would expect in what 10+ years, a better track-record.

[robbiestoupe]

So are we all in agreement that GMNH has to go right?

And Coonelly. The guy is a complete dufus when it comes to baseball, and I don't want him or Nutting choosing the next GM.

[LITT]

I mean Nutting has to know he's making millions whether the team is average or bad, so why not go bad and see what happens, and make more money. It's like they forgot everyone just dealt with 20 years of being insufferable.

Ultimately, I don't think the fans matter here because, the Pirates haven't done anything to win them over, or back after 2015 and the going cheap option. This just seems perplexing, because we all know they're not gonna go out and get pitchers on the market, so what are they even doing?

in what regards? the marginal fans have already given up and the diehards will continue to support

[Morkle]

That's what I'm saying, he's making money, either way, so the resistance to not saying you're in a rebuild is a con-game they don't need to play. It appears that only the die-hards are left, and they're not going to leave if someone says the dirt "rebuild" word.

[Troy Loney]

So are we all in agreement that GMNH has to go right?

Not 100% sure on nh, hurdle has to go though

[willeyeam]

NH goes before Hurdle imo but they're both 100% gotta go territory. A manager can only do so much to begin with let alone with the sack of sht NH gave him

[shafnutz05]

We are entering into another 10 to 15 years stretch of what we saw from 92 to 2012.

This is exactly my thought. Sure hope everyone enjoyed being "contenders" for a couple seasons, because the Buccos are going to fall off the map until most of us are in our 50s, possibly longer.

[Freddy Rumsen]

Hurdle has lost the clubhouse, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire rather than get fired.

[LITT]

pretty sure they will never get fired. its like marvin lewis. find the company man to send out for slaughter every year while everyone collects their paychecks

[DigitalGypsy66]

Evidently GMNH and Coonely rarely, if ever, travel with the team. I know they can’t go to all 81 road games, but surely half the away games is doable.

[NailedPenguin]

Evidently GMNH and Coonely rarely, if ever, travel with the team. I know they can’t go to all 81 road games, but surely half the away games is doable.

I've been on a treadmill at the gym watching a weekend home game with the owner on the next one over not watching the game.

[Freddy Rumsen]

#Pirates 2017 17th-round #MLBDraft pick Mason Martin hit HR No. 32 today and has an @MiLB-best 1⃣1⃣9⃣ RBIs.

With 14 games left on @The_Marauders schedule, he could end up with more RBIs than any Minor Leaguer in 15 years.

Here he is on @Pirates' Top 30:

https://t.co/5Lzu81kWAB https://t.co/cfdCa2m45b

[willeyeam]

Cole Tucker is back

[RonnieFranchise]

BREAKING: Cubs to play Elmora, NJ Little League World Series representatives instead of Pirates on Sunday.

Pirates to represent Mid Atlantic in LLWS.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Well the pirates **** that up

[Ad@m]

Suck it Maddon!!!!

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[skullman80]

Winning is nothing to be happy about at this point.

[willeyeam]

Raise it?

[shafnutz05]

Winning is nothing to be happy about at this point.

[MrKennethTKangaroo]

Went to Curve, PA last night for a game and of course, like all things curve related it was awesome. The game lasted a legit 2 hours and 8 minutes, which is usually the amount of time it takes chris archer to get through four innings. Sidebar: major league baseball shouldn’t blame players for the length of games. Do the players change there habits that much in 2 or 3 years from AA to the majors? I doubt it. Anyways, Cruz and Oliva, the only two guys worth a sht on the roster, both played and both looked good. Both my friend and i agreed that Cruz is significantly smoother and more polished than polanco ever was. I dont care if he plays shortstop for another 2 games, 2 years, or whatever, but i will say he is athletic. Oliva seems to have a pretty good bat. Everyone else on that team appears to be minor league depth guys and college bats with no clear path to the majors.

Cal ripken’s Son plays for the Baysox.

Minor league baseball is great